I’d be curious to know what they plan to charge people with.
domestic terrorism, of course
FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#82A wise man told me, you know signal works because its banned in Russia. I also find it incredibly ironic that they have a problem with this, when the DoD is flagrantly using signal for classified communications.
You know it works because they banned it in Russia? Works for whom?
Yes, at best it implies Russia cannot easily get confidential information from them. Everyone else, the jury is still out for.
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#83I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.
but this is not a technical attack that returns the metadata.
much more closer to the $5 wrench attack
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#84I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.
I've been hearing for years people say "Signal requires phone number therefore I don't use it", and I've been hearing them mocked for years.
Turns out they were right.
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#85I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.
The steps to trouble:
- identify who owns the number
- compel that person to give unlocked phone
- government can read messages of _all_ people in group chat not just that person
Corollary:
Disappearing messages severely limits what can be read
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#86I’d be curious to know what they plan to charge people with.
Presumably Seditious Conspiracy, like many people involved in J6. Conspiracy to use force to prevent or delay enforcement of laws.
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#87I’ve never seen a set of voluntary fall guys like Noem, Patel and Miller. (And Hegseth for when a military operation fails.)
Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him. He's the most hard-core fascist in the bunch.
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
conspiracy charges are a thing, and they'll only need a few examples of manifestly illegal interference. it will be quite easy for a prosecutor to charge lots of these people. it's been done for less, and even if the case is thrown out it can drag on for years and involve jail time before any conviction.
If they could arrest people for what they've been doing, they would have already arrested people. And they have arrested a few here and there for "assault" (things like daring to react when being shoved by an annoyed officer), but the thing that's really pissing DHS off is that the protesters and observers are not breaking the law.
Remember that most of the participants in J6 walked away and were later rounded up and arrested across the country once the FBI had collected voluminous digital and surveillance evidence to support prosecution.
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#89Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?
To intimidate. They're probably quite aware they'll lose in court. But in the mean time they might discourage some folks from turning out on the street.
Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's much of a problem at all. Many of the protesters and observers are not hiding their identities, so finding their phone number isn't a problem. Even with content, coordinating legal activities isn't a problem either.
I would never agree with you. protestors behaving legally or practicing civil disobedience can still have their lives ruined by people in power. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-supreme-court-s...
> protestors behaving legally or practicing civil disobedience can still have their lives ruined by people in power.
They surely can. But the point was more than the people in power don't really need Signal metadata to do that. On the lists of security concerns modern protestors need to be worrying about, Signal really just isn't very high.