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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by pjc50 »

infecto wrote: post #67
pjc50 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, "labelling" someone else is an act of free speech as much as anything else.

I don’t think it’s ironic and my point was not the act of labeling itself but more of how America has become a brigading culture. Free speech should be protected, even for things that we know are wrong but we have this decay of the internet and culture where you are either with someone or against them.

But that's my point: what you call "brigading" is other people using their free speech in a way you don't like.

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Post by Aurornis »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #141
Aurornis wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And nitpicking whether or not there are other avenues for information is completely besides the point That was literally the argument I was responding to and talking about.

I am not getting that from your previous comment but I’ll just assume I’m misreading it.

This entire comment thread was me responding to someone claiming that people “in other countries” have easy access to information.

Given the downvotes and angry responses I think a lot of people misinterpreted it as something else. I should learn to avoid comment sections about politics.

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Post by terespuwash »

mekdoonggi wrote: post #138
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #126

Allow me to offer some words of wisdom. If you help building weapons to be used against $currently_designated_bad_people, you can rest assured that given enough time, those weapons will be used against you. I am watching all this with a mild sense of bemusement.

A NYT columnist Jamelle Bouie suggested (in jest) that the next Democrat administration send armed IRS agents to gated communities in Florida, to "investigate tax fraud". But this is exactly why all citizens should be concerned about the infringement of rights happening in Minnesota. If it is allowed without prosecution, you are next.

His brilliant columns is the only reason I would ever consider a NYT subscription.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by estearum »

jokoon wrote: post #94

it's obvious that tiktok is doing this intentionally, pretending it's a technical issue, so that people can blame the US government for forcing the sale of tiktok it's just retaliation and obviously, trump will play into this

Or the right wing ideologues who now allegedly control (components of) TikTok are as dumb and ideological as they appear.

Note: They also are having "technical difficulties" transmitting DMs with the string "epstein" in them.

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Post by estearum »

cbeach wrote: post #107

There have been a number of fake AI-generated videos of police confronting ICE officers lately: https://gothamist.com/news/ai-videos-of-fake-nypdice-clashes... I suspect these are some of those that have been banned from TikTok, and there's probably heightened moderation around this content at the moment since people are sharing AI-generated propaganda and riling others into violent confrontation with ICE.

TikTok: Notoriously tough on bullshit ragebait

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Post by asveikau »

ericmay wrote: post #59
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

I've never in my life used TikTok. Can you please point to a specific article, news source, journal, any piece of information that is legal in the United States that I don't have easy access to so I can see what I'm missing?

You have easy access in that you can find things if you look for it.

What that commenter means by easy access is that the information is in mainstream sources pushed to people such that you are likely to know about it without having looked.

For example I made a comment here on HN recently that immigrants commit crimes at fewer rates than US born people. That sends a segment of Americans into a flying rage even though they have access to that information, they were never going to hear it in their ordinary channels, even if they stick to "mainstream" media.

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Post by ericmay »

woooooo wrote: post #131
ericmay wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I do have easy access to information, and the OP was incorrect? > its about scrolling and recommendations Don't scroll and don't take recommendations from these platforms. It's better now that it's American owned, but you really shouldn't have been using it when the Chinese Communist Party owned it. And I'm only talking about TikTok because that's the OP. I don't use any social media platforms besides LinkedIn, an…

OP said "buying TikTok was about hiding information from people", and the people who bought TikTok are trying to suppress certain information on TikTok. Whether you or I think that's effective or not is up for debate, I also avoid social media, but OP made a statement about intentions. (And, aside, the current intentions appear far more pointed and ideological than when it was owned by ByteDance as a lottery winner w…

> The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

Restating the OP ^

I don't know exactly what the OP intended, and they are welcome to clarify, but based on the words above I read it as selling TikTok is a means of suppressing information that the rest of the world has access to from Americans. I disagree with the notion because what matters is whether or not information is suppressed holistically, not whether or not information is suppressed in a limited manner on a platform. If you think it's a problem, by the way, you should reach out to the EU, China, India, and every other major government that influences what content is posted on social media platforms including but not limited to TikTok.

If you want to argue the US obtaining control of the content from TikTok in America is tantamount to information suppression, you can only do so by also arguing it's true only for people who use TikTok. In which case it's an improvement anyway since the CCP is no longer influencing content.

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Post by Gud »

embedding-shape wrote: post #61
reliabilityguy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the rest of the world have easy access to. Except for China, where TikTok is nothing like the TikTok for the rest of the world

Which used to be seen as "Ew, China has their own version? Crazy censorship" but after some time it seems like the US is aiming for the very same thing. Classy.

It’s more sinister than simple censorship.

The point is brainwashing.

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Post by Aurornis »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #42
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

> the rest of the world have easy access to. Except for China, where TikTok is nothing like the TikTok for the rest of the world

TikTok is different in China, but the rest of the world isn’t getting a completely free TikTok.

TikTok is known for tipping the scales on political keywords everywhere. In the past they haven’t outright censored because that’s too obvious, but uploading videos on the wrong side (according to TikTok, of course) of a political topic will result in very few views.

I wouldn’t be surprised if as part of the transition they’re struggling with the previous methods of simply burying topics, so the obvious ban was their intermediate step.

The comments claiming this is specific to the US are simply wrong. TikTok has always done this everywhere.

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Post by estearum »

dns_snek wrote: post #96
sosomoxie wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What words were China filtering? I've never seen reports of censorship like this on TikTok before Ellison bought it.

Enough of them to give rise to the term "algospeak" which means using words like "unalive" in place of "kill" to avoid automated censorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak Meanwhile you can report a bot who's posted 20+ comments under a video to advertise illegal drugs and all of the reports and subsequent appeals will consistently come back as "No violation found".

Does "kill" have some type of salient political valence that I'm not aware of?

This seems like a fairly blunt attempt at quality-of-life improvement for the general platform vibes, no? Put some friction on the (legitimate) nutjobs who just want to say "Kill X, kill Y" all the time and are so insane they can't figure out euphemisms?

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