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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by 34679 »

Aurornis wrote: post #73
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on any TV. We’re discussing it right now in the front page of HN! Everyone in the US has easy access to the same information. Acting like only the rest of the world has easy access to this information is ridiculous.

Everyone has easy access right now. Everyone had easier access before the TikTok deal. That's the wrong direction for a free country and it's particularly alarming because the deal was forced by the government.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by gruez »

wat10000 wrote: post #65
gruez wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not sure why the meme on the right is that the left wants to protect Biden or anyone else. No, the point isn't "protecting Biden", it's pure self interest. Tiktok is a social media platform that's very popular with Democrat's electorate and is already left leaning. Why risk it falling into the other party's control (especially near the end of Biden's term), just so you can maybe push more left leaning talking po…

Because the concept of limiting state power for when the other side takes power is not in the American political vocabulary.

The difference here is that unlike expanding the NSA or DHS, control of tiktok doesn't pass to the next administration, because it's held in private hands.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by fcarraldo »

Aurornis wrote: post #73
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on any TV. We’re discussing it right now in the front page of HN! Everyone in the US has easy access to the same information. Acting like only the rest of the world has easy access to this information is ridiculous.

Censorship doesn’t become okay when it’s easy to work around it.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by PurpleRamen »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #82
PurpleRamen wrote: post #66

They are in transition, so for the moment I believe them to have technical problems, because it also matches my experience. Yesterday I encountered problems with several videos, which are working today. And not all of them were political. Going by the comments, people on TikTok seem very fast in seeing conspiracies, when many problems can be simply explained with normal problems or human failings. And it's good to be…

The presumption of good faith has been justifiably obliterated when it comes to Topics Such As These with our right-wing extremist political and media leadership.

Especially with extremists, you should have a solid foundation of argumentation, because they will not ignore even little fails and weaponize everything against you if necessary.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by dns_snek »

sosomoxie wrote: post #36
inetknght wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but not that fast Why not? All the tech was already put in place by China. All that the U.S. had to do was change the filtered words.

What words were China filtering? I've never seen reports of censorship like this on TikTok before Ellison bought it.

Enough of them to give rise to the term "algospeak" which means using words like "unalive" in place of "kill" to avoid automated censorship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak

Meanwhile you can report a bot who's posted 20+ comments under a video to advertise illegal drugs and all of the reports and subsequent appeals will consistently come back as "No violation found".

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by Aurornis »

bearjaws wrote: post #81
Aurornis wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on any TV. We’re discussing it right now in the front page of HN! Everyone in the US has easy access to the same information. Acting like only the rest of the world has easy access to this information is ridiculous.

_you_ have access to it, for an increasingly large number of people TikTok is their only source of news. Same as Fox News or CNN, one news source. Censorship of TikTok is inevitable given the owners, and it will inevitably lead to a new news bubble.

I think you’re greatly overestimating the number of people who only use one social media platform and never check any other news source at all.

TikTok users are also known for being experts at evading filters and censors. Remember the rising popularity of “unalived” when talk of suicide was filtered out on the platform?

I’m not saying this ICE censorship is good, because it’s not! I’m saying it’s ridiculous to claim that only people in other countries have easy access to information.

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Post by andsoitis »

tdb7893 wrote: post #85
ericmay wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never in my life used TikTok. Can you please point to a specific article, news source, journal, any piece of information that is legal in the United States that I don't have easy access to so I can see what I'm missing?

Larry and David Ellison have been buying media outlets and those media outlets have started spiking (or delaying, editing, etc) stories that look bad for Trump. It's not that you don't have access at all, it's that these specific platforms are starting to suppress it. This is the notable example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_CECOT

> It's not that you don't have access at all, it's that these specific platforms are starting to suppress it. This is the notable example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_CECOT

The 60 Minutes Episode on CECOT aired on Jan 18 and it is also on CBS News' website: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-deported-venezuelans-endur...

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by Aurornis »

fcarraldo wrote: post #93
Aurornis wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to The information is everywhere. Visit any news site, open any general social media feed, turn on any TV. We’re discussing it right now in the front page of HN! Everyone in the US has easy access to the same information. Acting like only the rest of the world has easy access to this information is ridiculous.

Censorship doesn’t become okay when it’s easy to work around it.

I’m not condoning censorship. It’s bad.

I’m saying it’s silly hyperbole to make the leap to implying that only people in other countries have easy access to information.

These absurd claims always turn into a game of motte and bailey when they’re called out, with retreats to safer claims. I’m talking about the original claim, that “people in other countries” have easy access to this information which we, in the US, see everywhere all the time right now (except TikTok apparently).

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