Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
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Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
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Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#2I've been using Xfce as a daily driver in one machine for about a decade now.
Great to know there's work on the wayland support front.
Also, writing it in Rust should help bring more contributors to the project.
If you use Xfce I urge you to donate to their Open Collective:
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#3I hope that XFCE remains a solid lightweight desktop option. I've become a huge fan of KDE over the past couple of years, but it certainly isn't what you would consider lightweight or minimal.
Personally, I'm a big proponent of Wayland and not big Rust detractor, so I don't see any problem with this. I do, however, wonder how many long-time XFCE fans and the folks who donated the money funding this will feel about it. To me the reasoning is solid: Wayland appears to be the future, and Rust is a good way to help avoid many compositor crashes, which are a more severe issue in Wayland (though it doesn't necessarily need to be fatal, FWIW.) Still I perceive a lot of XFCE's userbase to be more "traditional" and conservative about technologies, and likely to be skeptical of both Wayland and Rust, seeing them as complex, bloated, and unnecessary.
Of course, if they made the right choice, it should be apparent in relatively short order, so I wish them luck.
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#4Very interesting that they opted for a rewrite in Rust instead of adjusting the existing codebase.
I wonder how long it'll take them writing a compositor from scratch.
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#5FYI, you can currently use most wlroots-based compositors with XFCE. I myself am running Hyprland + XFCE on Gentoo. https://github.com/bergutman/dots
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#6If wayland support was there already I would be using xfce. I truly admire it, it's great to see this happening and I hope the project continues in great speed. With DE's requiring hard system-d support, I would rather have something like xfce
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#7i'm trying to build a Linux desktop and the first thing I got stuck at is X11 versus Wayland for greetd. Next thing Il got stuck at his XFCE4 doesn't exist for Wayland. What the shit. if we want to tell me wayland is the future, fine. sure. great. Tt's been 11 years!
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#8i'm trying to build a Linux desktop and the first thing I got stuck at is X11 versus Wayland for greetd. Next thing Il got stuck at his XFCE4 doesn't exist for Wayland. What the shit. if we want to tell me wayland is the future, fine. sure. great. Tt's been 11 years!
in the time it took me to complain about xfce4, three other complaints popped up! so I guess I'm not alone
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#9Does Wayland work on non-Linux systems (e.g. *BSD)?
If an application is written for Wayland, is there a way to send its windows to (e.g.) my Mac, like I can with X11 to XQuartz?
Re: Xfwl4 – The Roadmap for a Xfce Wayland Compositor
#10I've used Smithay's Rust client toolkit for a few months now. For making apps it is still sometimes have unsafe wrappers disguised as safe. It has a lot of internals wrapped in Arc, but in my tests, the methods are not safe to call from different threads anyhow, you will get weird crashes if done so.
I will seek to dive-in to how Wayland API actually works, because I'd really like to know what not to do, when the wrappers used 'wrong' can crash.