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ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by Applejinx »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #266
scotty79 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there a lot of warmongering in russia in preparation for starting the war in 2022? Because from what I saw wars tend to pop up all of the sudden, regardless of political climate of the country.

> Was there a lot of warmongering in russia in preparation for starting the war in 2022? It didn't start in 2022, it just entered a new phase. This conflict was already going since 2014, and the callings were on the wall the whole time. Warnings regarding Russia under Putin are going back at least 2 decades, it was all speculated and to some degree known where he was going to. > Because from what I saw wars tend to p…

Bear in mind that's also Russian messaging. You can quite easily track the fervency of the civil war messaging through people who're known to have taken a WHOLE lot of Russian money in a systemic way. In reality, we get Minneapolis: local solidarity against targeted provocation meant to provide the excuse for a war on Americans and claim it had been civil war.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by lpcvoid »

dangoodmanUT wrote: post #133

Giving agents linux has compounding benefits in our experience. They're able to sort through weirdness that normal tooling wouldn't allow. Like they can read and image, get an error back from the API and see it wasn't the expected format. They read the magic bytes to see it was a jpeg despite being named .png, and read it correctly.

I don't understand why this is something special that somebody would need some LLM slop generation for? Any human can also do this in a few seconds using normal unix tooling.

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Post by Applejinx »

llbbdd wrote: post #192
halfcat wrote: post #165

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I think you’re onto something. Frontend tends to not actually solve problems, rather it’s mostly hiding and showing parts of a page. Sometimes frontend makes something possible that wasn’t possible before, and sometimes the frontend is the product, but usually the frontend is an optimization that makes something more efficient, and the problem is being solved on the backend. It’s been interesting to observe when peop…

Spoken like someone deeply unfamiliar with the problem domain since like 2005, sorry. It's an entirely different class of problems on the front end, most of them dealing with making users happy and comfortable, which is much more challenging than any of the rote byte pushing happening on the backend nowadays.

Is it, though? That sounds very subjective, and from what I can tell 'enshittification' is a popular user term for the result, so I'm not sure it's going that great.

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Post by toddmorey »

lpcvoid wrote: post #272
dangoodmanUT wrote: post #133

Giving agents linux has compounding benefits in our experience. They're able to sort through weirdness that normal tooling wouldn't allow. Like they can read and image, get an error back from the API and see it wasn't the expected format. They read the magic bytes to see it was a jpeg despite being named .png, and read it correctly.

I don't understand why this is something special that somebody would need some LLM slop generation for? Any human can also do this in a few seconds using normal unix tooling.

Well LLMs do make normal Linux tooling more accessible. I needed a video reformatted to a new aspect ratio and codec and Claude produced a rather complex set of arguments for ffmpeg that I hadn’t been able to figure out on my own.

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

scotty79 wrote: post #262
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being Russian and hearing about the horrors of war since my childhood, I always wondered how fascism, Nazis and WWII managed to become reality in 20th century. Then, I witnessed the answers unfolding before my eyes in real time - torrential TV and Web propaganda, warmongering, nationalism and worse of all - total acceptance of the unacceptable in a critically large portion of the country's population. Among the grand…

Was there a lot of warmongering in russia in preparation for starting the war in 2022? Because from what I saw wars tend to pop up all of the sudden, regardless of political climate of the country.

There was a huge lot. It started even before 2014, I'd say 2011-2012 was the year (after a series of suppressed protests like the one at Bolotnaya square), and first looked like a grotesque mutation of the V-day celebration, which began having nothing to do with the actual sacrifice our grandparents did, but everything with setting the most chtonic part of the nation against the whole world, with outlandish slogans like "we can repeat" (as in "we can fight and win again") and in numerous other ways.

Then 2014 Maidan happened in Ukraine and all the propagandist hell broke loose in Russia.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by toddmorey »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6

Seems like everyone is trying to get ahead of tool calling moving people "off platform" and creating differentiators around what tools are available "locally" to the models etc. This also takes the wind out of the sandboxing folks, as it probably won't be long before the "local" tool calling can effectively do anything you'd need to do on your local machine. I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent de…

I think this is exactly why Anthropic bought Bun!

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by darknoon »

lpcvoid wrote: post #272
dangoodmanUT wrote: post #133

Giving agents linux has compounding benefits in our experience. They're able to sort through weirdness that normal tooling wouldn't allow. Like they can read and image, get an error back from the API and see it wasn't the expected format. They read the magic bytes to see it was a jpeg despite being named .png, and read it correctly.

I don't understand why this is something special that somebody would need some LLM slop generation for? Any human can also do this in a few seconds using normal unix tooling.

I think you'd find that it's far from "any human" who can do this without looking anything up. I have 15y of dev exp and couldn't do this from memory on the cli. Maybe in c, but less helpful to getting stuff done!

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physicsguy wrote: post #244
jmacd wrote: post #3

I wonder how long npm/pip etc even makes sense. Dependancies introduce unnecessary LOC and features which are, more and more, just written by LLMs themselves. It is easier to just write the necessary functionality directly. Whether that is more maintainable or not is a bit YMMV at this stage, but I would wager it is improving.

What a bizarre comment. Take something like NumPy - has a hard dependency on BLAS implementations where numerical correctness are highly valued for accuracy and require deep thinking for correct implementation as well as for performance. Written in a different language again for performance so again an LLM would have to implement all of those things. What’s the utility in burning energy to regenerate this all the tim…

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Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by empath75 »

jmacd wrote: post #3

I wonder how long npm/pip etc even makes sense. Dependancies introduce unnecessary LOC and features which are, more and more, just written by LLMs themselves. It is easier to just write the necessary functionality directly. Whether that is more maintainable or not is a bit YMMV at this stage, but I would wager it is improving.

Tokens are expensive and downloading is cheap. I think probably the opposite is true, really, and more packages will be written specifically for LLMs to use because their api uses fewer tokens.
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