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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by epsters »

36,500 dead, 300,000 injured, In 2 days? People are buying this? Unarmed protesters tend to flee when the shooting starts and armed protesters shoot back. And all this without heavy weapons? Do people remember what Gaza turned into get to that toll?

The actual final toll number is certainly in the thousands But all the numbers being touted in the western press reek of desperation. Lot of the sources are western-backed anti-iranian ngos ( lot of them with cia, mossad and other intelligence ties) which themselves cite dubious sources. IranIntl is itself Saudi-backed and a Mossad asset according to Axios's Barak Ravid, who is himself worked for Israel's Unit 8200. Netanyahu seems to try rope the US into war in the short window before the US mid-terms and the Monarchists seem similarly desperate to show traction to the Trump admin. With Epstein and whatever else that is hanging over Trump's head this is a very dangerous trap.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by z7 »

adriand wrote: post #301
bdelmas wrote: post #289

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

I’m not sure if this is an honest question or not, but I’ll treat it as such, even though you could answer your own question quite easily. The West is not complicit in the actions of the Iranian regime in any way that is similar to the situation with Israel. We are not arming the Iranians with the weapons they turn on civilians: very much not the case with Israel. Israel is treated like a normal state, whereas Iran i…

> The West is not complicit in the actions of the Iranian regime

What about the 1953 CIA/MI6 coup that overthrew Iran's elected prime minister?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by dominicrose »

tasuki wrote: post #174
dominicrose wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a lot of death in 2 days but the revolution started about a month ago so it's not just those two days. I think you could compare Gaza to a single Iranian city, but Iran is much larger than this. Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza, but they clearly are the target in Iran. If the civilians had weapons, it would be a different story.

> Another important distinction is that - no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza "No matter what your beliefs are"? Some people believe that Israel is trying to make the people in Gaza starve. If that was true, how would they not be a target?

With the amount of sanctions against Iran right now we could say that Iran is being starved as well, but we can't blame Israel for everything. Almost everyone participates in the sanctions but citizens aren't the target.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by inglor_cz »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #303
inglor_cz wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am almost sure that every single person who plotted the 1953 coup is dead. Maybe one of them survives somewhere aged 103 and no longer knowing their name. Should Macron be judged by what Napoleon III. (or for that matter, I.) did? Surely there is some kind of continuity between those French heads of state, they even fly the some colors and sit in the same palace.

What makes you think the CIA/Mossad fundamentally operate differently today? Oh btw, since we're on the topic of false flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

It matters less than before. The US is no longer the dominant force it used to be in the 1950s, and the UK (which was part of the anti-Mossadegh plot) is completely gone from the world stage.

The world of 2026 cannot be reduced to a CIA/Mossad theatre where everyone else is a NPC and must suffer whatever they cook up there. Other people have agency and do their things. EU, India, China, Iran, Russia, Qatar, all influential players.

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Post by lukan »

bdelmas wrote: post #296
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

It almost makes Israel look like they are not there to wipe out Palestine

Or that international pressure succesfully prevented worse.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by inglor_cz »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #304
inglor_cz wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why some people get so fixated on one event in 1953, as if nothing else mattered after that. Sure, it had a nontrivial effect. But it also happened in a time when Stalin and Churchill were still alive, there were 6 billion people fewer on the planet and the first antibiotics and transistors barely entered production. Korea was poorer than Ghana etc. It is 2026, three generations have passed, and no…

The question is, how can you be sure anything you see in the (controlled) news is not another instance of covert plots, false flags, and psyops [0]? How, precisely how? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...

How can I be sure that you aren't a bot or vice versa?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by inglor_cz »

breppp wrote: post #306
inglor_cz wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why some people get so fixated on one event in 1953, as if nothing else mattered after that. Sure, it had a nontrivial effect. But it also happened in a time when Stalin and Churchill were still alive, there were 6 billion people fewer on the planet and the first antibiotics and transistors barely entered production. Korea was poorer than Ghana etc. It is 2026, three generations have passed, and no…

It's the nature of fascist countries to be fixated on the past timothy snyder describes it as the "politics of eternity"

People in general tend to be nostalgic, but yeah, a specific sort of politician will use it for their own purpose.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by lukan »

gryzzly wrote: post #271
pjc50 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> civilians aren't the target in Gaza "We killed about 80,000 people by mistake" isn't the exculpation you think it is.

No one who is sane is saying that. IDF is saying – we killed 40.000 combatants who were hiding in ciivilan infrastructure, so unfortunately 1:1 civilian deaths happened, becaue of the terrorist urban warfare tactics hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are using.

Except of course, the IDF high command officially gave the order to "give up all restraint".

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by pandemic_region »

ripped_britches wrote: post #298

Legitimate question - why am I not seeing this in the news? This is horrifying but where is the coverage?

I checked the reputable newspaper in my country. The only mention of it was on 23/1 where they reported 5000 casualties. EU is going to put together a range of (economic?) sanctions against the regime. US "armada" (quoted from the article) is underway.

It was probably the headline article for a couple of hours on the site. I don't remember extended coverage either so I looked it up.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by bjourne »

bdelmas wrote: post #289

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

Oh, no, not this false dichotomy again!

People protest to affect political change in their own countries. For example, that's why Americans now protest against ICE and not against the secret police in Turkmenistan. In my country, the government recently signed a secret arms deal with Israel to sell it weapons. Weapons that are then used to maim children. I don't like that. Major politicians have said that Israel should be "thanked" for what it's doing in Gaza. I don't like that either. Hence, why I protest. If the Sionazi regime in Israel was isolated in the same way as the Islamic regime in Iran or the Taliban regime in Afghanistan people would protest less because there would be less political change to affect.

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