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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by inglor_cz »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #250
throwawayheui57 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, the clergy was a crucial part of the coup, backed by CIA. The same people in power now, btw.

Fun fact, the same people who preach democracy to you all day, plotted and went about to oust one of the most democratically legitimate leaders of his country by night. Let that sink in for a moment.

I am almost sure that every single person who plotted the 1953 coup is dead. Maybe one of them survives somewhere aged 103 and no longer knowing their name.

Should Macron be judged by what Napoleon III. (or for that matter, I.) did? Surely there is some kind of continuity between those French heads of state, they even fly the some colors and sit in the same palace.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by pmontra »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #28

How is this possible without explosives? Even with vehicle mounted machine guns it seems like a crazy high number. Did the protestors get boxed in somehow? And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

You might check how the Mongols managed to do it on a much vaster scale 800 years ago. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gurganj

The museum of the city has a paper with the order that every soldier would have to kill 400 people, by sword. Of course they were already captured but there were about 1 million people in that city. The city is still perfectly leveled after 800 years. Only a couple of buildings were left standing.

Mongols were very well coordinated. Iranian crowd control has had 45 years and several insurrections to train.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by derelicta »

achow wrote: post #235
jesseab wrote: post #214

The Wall Street Journal says at least 10,000 people were killed: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-protest-crackdow... Horrifying.

Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.

IHR is CIA-backed, and are thus prone to inflate these counts to justify an invasion.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by vogre »

squidbeak wrote: post #280
vogre wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which also refer to unnamed sources and "U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency"(read CIA)

Why lie about this when the first paragraph is explicit about its source? > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME

>two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health

And their names are never called.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by tirant »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #74
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

I've read a ton of philosophy and something I don't really understand is that one nation killing another is more immoral than when a nation does this to their own domestic population. Sure you will get some nay-sayers who say 'a life is a life', if moral particles existed, they might be correct. But for some reason, humanity doesn't seem to care as much. What makes intra-state politics more acceptable to use violence…

I share your opinion. There's nothing worse than a State killing its own citizens, the ones the state had pledged to protect.

But actually, the largest mass killings in history have been always performed by States against their own citizens and not by enemy states:

- Great Chinese Famine (CCP): 20-30 million dead. - Holocaust (NSP): 6 million - Holodomor (USSR): 3-5 million - Congo mass killings (Colonial Regime + Private parties): 1-5 million - Cambodian genocide (Maoists): 2 million - Armenian genocide (Young Turk / CUP) ...

The list continues, and remains mainly dominated by assassination's of the State against their own citizens. Majorly communist and totalitarian regimes.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by lurk2 »

derelicta wrote: post #283
achow wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.

IHR is CIA-backed, and are thus prone to inflate these counts to justify an invasion.

> IHR is CIA-backed

Can you provide us with any evidence of that?

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Ray20 »

thinking_cactus wrote: post #72
yieldcrv wrote: post #15

hm, I think we should re-evaluate sanctioning or civilian pressure campaigns, since the guise is for them to coax or turn on the government for regime change, but the government can just hire mercenaries from outside the country. don't know a solution but this one isn't it

How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working? It would need to get pretty extreme before the government had the audacity (and even capacity) to actually track you down to your home and arrest (or kill) you. Although this kind of coordination might be difficult with government control of communication media.

> How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working?

An amazing level of privilege. In half of the world, if you stop working, you will very soon die of hunger.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by general_reveal »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #82
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

I can’t even imagine how this could be done. Nazi concentration camps would have had trouble killing that many in 2 days.

Nazis were … prolific.

The death camps were a practical end result of how much manual labor was required to line thousands of people up and shoot them dead. That’s what they were doing in Poland, to such extremes that is was literally more efficient to build gas chambers.

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