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France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by nixass »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #7

This kind of legislation is frankly just bad. Any TV station in america could have broadcasted the worst things in the world to thousands of people affecting their lives together. You know how we handled that? Legislation on the broadcasters. We didn't stop kids from watching TV.

Oh how's moderating and legislating social media behemots going so far?

Exactly..

They will use any trick or loophole available to keep the reach and to exploit attention spans. Kids brains aren't correct really made for social media whatsoever. Ban is justified and the bar should be even higher than 15 years old, but it's a start.

I have a young baby and no way it touches anything smartphone related for many many years, same goes with TV to a certain extent (these things are like smartphones nowadays with all the apps and programme fighting for your attention and to enrage you). I am doing my part, I for sure expect the government does their thing as well. Exploitators should stay in check and at bay with any means necessary

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by SeanAnderson »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #7

This kind of legislation is frankly just bad. Any TV station in america could have broadcasted the worst things in the world to thousands of people affecting their lives together. You know how we handled that? Legislation on the broadcasters. We didn't stop kids from watching TV.

I'm not a fan of the law, but your argument is pretty weak. The dose makes the poison and all that. It seems rationale to believe that humans can construct an entertainment mechanism so addictive as to warrant safeguards. The debate is mostly around whether this is that point and whether the trade-offs are worth it.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by ifh-hn »

SilverElfin wrote: post #9

Violation of privacy under the pretense of protecting children

I can't read the article because cloud flare won't let me, but how is this ban a violation of privacy? From my knowledge of social media it would likely increase the privacy of those not using these platforms.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by mary-ext »

I've noticed that there's a decent amount of people who had benefitted having access to computer and internet really early on that seemed to be pro on banning teen access to social media, is there a reason why? the social media of today don't seem all that much different from the internet forums of back in the day

if algorithmic amplification is the reason then I'm not sure why social media as a whole has to be banned over it.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by King-Aaron »

I don't like the idea of centralised digital ID for the obvious surveillance/privacy arguments and think that side of the conversation needs to be focused on. BUT, I also think that the Social Media experiment has shown that social media in general really, really sucks. It sucks for adults but it's objectively damaging to kids.

So like, I am all for restricting kids from it, and honestly I'd happily see it regulated out of existence entirely.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by krainboltgreene »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #12
krainboltgreene wrote: post #7

This kind of legislation is frankly just bad. Any TV station in america could have broadcasted the worst things in the world to thousands of people affecting their lives together. You know how we handled that? Legislation on the broadcasters. We didn't stop kids from watching TV.

I'm not a fan of the law, but your argument is pretty weak. The dose makes the poison and all that. It seems rationale to believe that humans can construct an entertainment mechanism so addictive as to warrant safeguards. The debate is mostly around whether this is that point and whether the trade-offs are worth it.

> It seems rationale to believe that humans can construct an entertainment mechanism so addictive as to warrant safeguards.

Okay but the conversation isn't "Should we have safeguards" it's "How do we handle the poison?".

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by vlz »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #7

This kind of legislation is frankly just bad. Any TV station in america could have broadcasted the worst things in the world to thousands of people affecting their lives together. You know how we handled that? Legislation on the broadcasters. We didn't stop kids from watching TV.

Bad content reaching kids is not the issue. (Well, it is part of it…) The whole thing is bad. We don't give cigarettes to kids either.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by SeanAnderson »

ifh-hn wrote: post #13
SilverElfin wrote: post #9

Violation of privacy under the pretense of protecting children

I can't read the article because cloud flare won't let me, but how is this ban a violation of privacy? From my knowledge of social media it would likely increase the privacy of those not using these platforms.

I think the privacy concern is how to prove you're of age without needing to hand over a government ID.

Re: France passes bill to ban social media use by under-15s

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Post by krainboltgreene »

nixass wrote: post #11
krainboltgreene wrote: post #7

This kind of legislation is frankly just bad. Any TV station in america could have broadcasted the worst things in the world to thousands of people affecting their lives together. You know how we handled that? Legislation on the broadcasters. We didn't stop kids from watching TV.

Oh how's moderating and legislating social media behemots going so far? Exactly.. They will use any trick or loophole available to keep the reach and to exploit attention spans. Kids brains aren't correct really made for social media whatsoever. Ban is justified and the bar should be even higher than 15 years old, but it's a start. I have a young baby and no way it touches anything smartphone related for many many ye…

> Oh how's moderating and legislating social media behemots going so far?

This feels like you intended to make it a gotcha question, but the answer is: America isn't really trying to do that at all. So we should just give up?

"Damn, handling biowaste is hard and dangerous, what we'll do is just prevent people from leaving their house."

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