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ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by yibers »

rvz wrote: post #9
behnamoh wrote: post #5

I wonder if the era of dynamic programming languages is over. Python/JS/Ruby/etc. were good tradeoffs when developer time mattered. But now that most code is written by LLMs, it's as "hard" for the LLM to write Python as it is to write Rust/Go (assuming enough training data on the language ofc; LLMs still can't write Gleam/Janet/CommonLisp/etc.). Esp. with Go's quick compile time, I can see myself using it more and m…

> Plus, I get a binary that I can port to other systems w/o problem. So cross-platform vibe-coded malware is the future then?

I hope that AVs will also evolve using the new AI tech to detect this type of malware.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by yoyohello13 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6

Seems like everyone is trying to get ahead of tool calling moving people "off platform" and creating differentiators around what tools are available "locally" to the models etc. This also takes the wind out of the sandboxing folks, as it probably won't be long before the "local" tool calling can effectively do anything you'd need to do on your local machine. I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent de…

> I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent dev environments...

A lot of companies have been wanting to move in this direction. Instead of maintaining a fleet of machines, you just get a bunch of thin clients and pay Microsoft of whoever to host the actual workloads. They already do this 'kiosk' style stuff for a lot of front-line staff.

Honestly, not having my own local hardware for development sounds like a living hell, but seems like the way we are going.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by simonw »

candiddevmike wrote: post #6

Seems like everyone is trying to get ahead of tool calling moving people "off platform" and creating differentiators around what tools are available "locally" to the models etc. This also takes the wind out of the sandboxing folks, as it probably won't be long before the "local" tool calling can effectively do anything you'd need to do on your local machine. I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent de…

Claude Code for the web is kind of a persistent virtual dev environment already.

You can start a session there and chat with it to get a bunch of work done, then come back to that session a day later and the virtual filesystem is in the same state as when you left it.

I haven't figured out if this has a time limit on it - it's possible they're doing something clever with object storage such that the cost of persisting those environments is really low, see also Fly's Sprites.dev: https://fly.io/blog/design-and-implementation/

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by simonw »

behnamoh wrote: post #5

I wonder if the era of dynamic programming languages is over. Python/JS/Ruby/etc. were good tradeoffs when developer time mattered. But now that most code is written by LLMs, it's as "hard" for the LLM to write Python as it is to write Rust/Go (assuming enough training data on the language ofc; LLMs still can't write Gleam/Janet/CommonLisp/etc.). Esp. with Go's quick compile time, I can see myself using it more and m…

I have certainly become Go-curious thanks to coding agents - I have a medium sized side-project in progress using Go at the moment and it's been surprisingly smooth sailing considering I hardly know the language.

The Go standard library is a particularly good fit for building network services and web proxies, which fits this project perfectly.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by simonw »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #12
candiddevmike wrote: post #6

Seems like everyone is trying to get ahead of tool calling moving people "off platform" and creating differentiators around what tools are available "locally" to the models etc. This also takes the wind out of the sandboxing folks, as it probably won't be long before the "local" tool calling can effectively do anything you'd need to do on your local machine. I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent de…

> I wonder when they'll start offering virtual, persistent dev environments... A lot of companies have been wanting to move in this direction. Instead of maintaining a fleet of machines, you just get a bunch of thin clients and pay Microsoft of whoever to host the actual workloads. They already do this 'kiosk' style stuff for a lot of front-line staff. Honestly, not having my own local hardware for development sounds…

Coding agents are a particularly good fit for disposable development environments because of the risk of them messing things up. If the entire environment is ephemeral the worst that can happen (aside from private source code leaks to a malicious third party) is the environment gets trashed and you have to start over in a new one.

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by TZubiri »

jmacd wrote: post #3

I wonder how long npm/pip etc even makes sense. Dependancies introduce unnecessary LOC and features which are, more and more, just written by LLMs themselves. It is easier to just write the necessary functionality directly. Whether that is more maintainable or not is a bit YMMV at this stage, but I would wager it is improving.

This is like saying Wikipedia doesn't make sense because there's now Grokipedia

Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by idontwantthis »

randomtoast wrote: post #4

Maybe soon we have single use applications. Where ChatGPT can write an App for you on-the-fly in a cloud sandbox you interact with it in the browser and fulfill your goal and afterwards the App is shutdown and thrown away.

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Re: ChatGPT Containers can now run bash, pip/npm install packages and download files

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Post by westurner »

ravenstine wrote: post #10
behnamoh wrote: post #5

I wonder if the era of dynamic programming languages is over. Python/JS/Ruby/etc. were good tradeoffs when developer time mattered. But now that most code is written by LLMs, it's as "hard" for the LLM to write Python as it is to write Rust/Go (assuming enough training data on the language ofc; LLMs still can't write Gleam/Janet/CommonLisp/etc.). Esp. with Go's quick compile time, I can see myself using it more and m…

I'm not sure that LLMs are going to [completely] replace the desire for JIT, even with relatively fast compilers. Frameworks might go the way of the dinosaur. If an LLM can manage a lot of complex code without human-serving abstractions, why even use something like React?

Test cases; test coverage
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