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Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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All of that and you're still a heavy user? Why would google change how Gemini works if you keep using it despite those issues?

Just wait until you get a group of nerds talking about keyboards - suddenly it'll sound like there is no such thing as a keyboard worth buying either. I think the main problems for Google (and others) from this type of issue will be "down the road" problems, not a large and immediately apparent change in user behavior at the onset.

Well, if the keyboard randomly mistypes 40% of the time like LLMs, that's probably not a worthwhile keyboard.

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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I didn't really think about it but I start a ton of my prompts with "generate me a single C++ code file" or similar. There's always 2-3 paragraphs of prose in there. Why is it consuming output tokens on generating prose? I just wanted the code.

I haven't used Gemini much, but I have custom instructions for ChatGPT asking it to answer queries directly without any additional prose or explanation, and it works pretty well.

It works to cut down on verbosity, but verbosity is also how it thinks. You could be lobotomizing your responses

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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Just wait until you get a group of nerds talking about keyboards - suddenly it'll sound like there is no such thing as a keyboard worth buying either. I think the main problems for Google (and others) from this type of issue will be "down the road" problems, not a large and immediately apparent change in user behavior at the onset.

Well, if the keyboard randomly mistypes 40% of the time like LLMs, that's probably not a worthwhile keyboard.

nah bro just fix your debounce

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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I ask Gemini health questions non stop and never see it using YouTube as a source. Quickly looking over some recent chats :

- chat 1 : 2 sources are NIH. the other isnt youtube.

- chat 2 : PNAS, PUBMED, Cochrane, Frontiers, and PUBMED again several more times.

- chat 3 : 4 random web sites ive never heard of, no youtube

- chat 4 : a few random web sites and NIH, no youtube

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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Heavy Gemini user here, another observation: Gemini cites lots of "AI generated" videos as its primary source, which creates a closed loop and has the potential to debase shared reality. A few days ago, I asked it some questions on Russia's industrial base and military hardware manufacturing capability, and it wrote a very convincing response, except the video embedded at the end of the response was an AI generated o…

Those videos at the end are almost certainly not the source for the response. They are just a "search for related content on youtube to fish for views"

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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>Countering debasement of shared reality and NOT using AI generated videos as sources should be a HUGE priority for Google. This itself seems pretty damning of these AI systems from a narrative point of view, if we take it at face value. You can't trust AI to generate things that are sufficiently grounded in facts that you can't even use it as a reference point. Why should end users believe the narrative that these t…

Using it as a reference is a high bar not a low bar. The AI videos aren't trying to be accurate. They're put out by propaganda groups as part of a "firehose of falsehood". Not trusting an AI told to lie to you is different than not trusting an AI. Even without that playing a game of broken telephone is a good way to get bad information though. Hence why even reasonably trustworthy AI is not a good reference.

Not that this makes it any better, but a lot of AI videos on YouTube are published with no specific intent beyond capturing ad revenue - they're not meant to deceive, just to make money.

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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It's tough convincing people that Google AI overviews are often very wrong. People think that if it's displayed so prominently on Google, it must be factually accurate right? "AI responses may include mistakes. Learn more" It's not mistakes, half the time it's completely wrong and total bullshit information. Even comparing it to other AI, if you put the same question into GPT 5.2 or Gemini, you get much more accurate…

I have yet to see a single person in my day to day life not immediately reference AI overviews when looking something up.

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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Heavy Gemini user here, another observation: Gemini cites lots of "AI generated" videos as its primary source, which creates a closed loop and has the potential to debase shared reality. A few days ago, I asked it some questions on Russia's industrial base and military hardware manufacturing capability, and it wrote a very convincing response, except the video embedded at the end of the response was an AI generated o…

Google will mouth words, but their bottom line runs the show. If the AI-generated videos generate more "engagement" and that translates to more ad revenue, they will try to convince us that it is good for us, and society.

Re: Google AI Overviews cite YouTube more than any medical site for health queries

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Heavy Gemini user here, another observation: Gemini cites lots of "AI generated" videos as its primary source, which creates a closed loop and has the potential to debase shared reality. A few days ago, I asked it some questions on Russia's industrial base and military hardware manufacturing capability, and it wrote a very convincing response, except the video embedded at the end of the response was an AI generated o…

Ourobouros - The mythical snake that eats its own tail (and ingests its own excrement)

The image that comes to my mind is rather a cow farm, where cows are served the ground up remains of other cows. isnt that how many of them got the mad cows disease? ...
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