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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Can access X because it's X and locally blocked, "ironic" to use Twitter to post about sovereignty. It's ongoing for a will with La suite numérique ( https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ ). - Tchap is a message app for officials, - Visio, based on LiveKit - FranceTransfert, I don't know what is it. - Fichiers => Drive - Messagerie => Email - Docs => A better Google Docs - Grist => Excel version of Google docs. It aimed…

Ironic to use Github to post about sovereignty )

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

They are fine. Cloud is a commodity. Hetzner and Bunny are pretty great and i am sure there are many more.

The problem is when US decides to ban sales of compute hardware to EU (like they do to China). Then it will be clear who's really in power.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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My hope is that all this push towards tech independence (not just from EU) will make the most "basic" tools open-source and they wouldn't suck as much as they do now. What I mean by this is e.g. you can already use Linux on a desktop and it's generally okay (or even good sometimes), however things like LibreOffice are absolutely unusable in terms of performance, functionality and user friendliness compared to e.g. Ke…

As much as I cheer for OpenOffice, it sucks. And it has been decades now. I'm not even an advanced Word / Google Doc user. Are we gonna wait for 100 more years for it to be good?

Word also kind of sucks. My biggest gripe is that it doesn’t understand markdown input. And once you add tables to the word doc, it turns into even more of a mess to work with.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Products don't necessarily win on merit.

Microsoft Teams "won" entirely because it was given away free with Office. Even though it is acceptable these days, it was horrible when it started. There is no way it could have won without unlimited backing from a bigger force.

You have to see EU trying these things in the same light.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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For what it's worth, if you want a self hosted replacement for Zoom Galene has worked great for me, The server requirements are remarkably low, especially if you are like me and just need a personal video chat to a few people. I run it on an old apu-2 with openbsd(which is just about the worst combination and it still works great) As a bonus there is no client, that is, the client is just a web page so very low friction to get people to use it.

https://galene.org/

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Taxes are not really an issue because of the services you get out of it: free healthcare, free education for your kids, etc. But yes, salary before taxes is much lower than in the US. If your goal is to make as much money as possible, either stay in US or move to a different European country (Northern Europe or Switzerland).

As a software engineer in the US you're not really worrying about access to health care, and have access to public schools as well.

What if you get laid off?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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As much as I cheer for OpenOffice, it sucks. And it has been decades now. I'm not even an advanced Word / Google Doc user. Are we gonna wait for 100 more years for it to be good?

OpenOffice? Do you mean LibreOffice? OpenOffice has been effectively dead for many years (though, maddeningly, Apache continues to publish it and squat the trademark); LibreOffice is the mainline where development continues.

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Seriously, why are people still using twitter? It's owned by a Nazi supporter, is full of white nationalist racist posters, and seems a strange place to announce you are moving off of American tech.

Not to mention JD Vance uses it so it's like sharing a room with a massive dog turd

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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post #94
post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Products don't necessarily win on merit. Microsoft Teams "won" entirely because it was given away free with Office. Even though it is acceptable these days, it was horrible when it started. There is no way it could have won without unlimited backing from a bigger force. You have to see EU trying these things in the same light.

Sure, Betamax was technically superior to VHS. But in the end the market still decides… nobody said “better” means technically superior… just something people want to use an other options available to them. “Good enough” with attractive value to the individual/business typically wins.
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