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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by heraldgeezer »

rebolek wrote: post #113
thrw2029 wrote: post #104

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Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

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Ah so you love censorship when you agree with it?

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by [deleted] »

woodrowbarlow wrote: post #73
denysvitali wrote: post #56

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Why is this surprising? Isn't it mandatory for chinese companies to do adhere to the censorship? Aside from the political aspect of it, which makes it probably a bad knowledge model, how would this affect coding tasks for example? One could argue that Anthropic has similar "censorships" in place (alignment) that prevent their model from doing illegal stuff - where illegal is defined as something not legal (likely?) i…

here's an example of how model censorship affects coding tasks: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603

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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

rebolek wrote: post #113
thrw2029 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

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It's weird you got downvoted; you're correct, that chat bot was spewing hate speech at full blast, it was on the news everywhere. (For the uninformed: it didn't get unplugged for being "PR-unfriendly", it got unplugged because nearly every response turned into racism and misogyny in a matter of hours)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)#Initial_release

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by jahsome »

mogoh wrote: post #101
calpaterson wrote: post #86

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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

That is not relevant for this discussion, if you don't think of every discussion as an east vs. west conflict discussion.

It's quite relevant, considering the OP was a single word with an example. It's kind of ridiculous to claim what is or isn't relevant when the discussion prompt literally could not be broader (a single word).

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by orangebread »

segmondy wrote: post #47
orangebread wrote: post #44

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I haven't used qwen3 max yet, but my gut feeling is that they are benchmaxxing. If I were to rate the open models worth using by rank it'd be: - Minimax - GLM - Deepseek

Your ranking is way off, Deepseek crushes Minimax and GLM. It's not even a competition.

Yeah, I get there's nuance between all of them. I ranked Minimax higher for its agentic capabilities. In my own usage, Minimax's tool calling is stronger than Deepseek's and GLM.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by [deleted] »

rebolek wrote: post #113
thrw2029 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by patapong »

criddell wrote: post #98
calpaterson wrote: post #86

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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

What's an example of political censorship on US LLMs?

Here is an investigation of how different queries are classified as hateful vs not hateful in ChatGPT: https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/openaicms

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by WarmWash »

torginus wrote: post #53
diblasio wrote: post #48

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Man, the Chinese government must be a bunch of saints that you must go back 35 years to dig up something heinous that they did.

Tiananmen Square is a simple test that most people recognize.

I'm sure the model will get cold feet talking about the Hong Kong protests and uyghur persecution as well.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by tedivm »

mogoh wrote: post #101
calpaterson wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

That is not relevant for this discussion, if you don't think of every discussion as an east vs. west conflict discussion.

Hard to talk about what models are doing without comparing them to what other models are doing. There are only a handful of groups in the frontier model space, much less who also open source their models, so eventually some conversations are going to head in this direction.

I also think it is interesting that the models in China are censored but openly admit it, while the US has companies like xAI who try to hide their censorship and biases as being the real truth.

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