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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by traceroute66 »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #29
fcarraldo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

> Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts

Not true.

But you know what the best thing about the EU companies is ?

Transparent pricing.

EU company: Yes, you really can accurately calculate to the nearest cent how much your compute instance will cost you and exactly what you are getting for that money. No surprises.

US company:Is that Compute Savings Plan, EC2 Savings Plan, On-Demand or Spot. What speed is my network "up to" ? And then of course the big "I DUNNO" in relation to "how many IOPS am I going to be charged for EBS disk transfer ?"

EU company: Of course we don't charge you for LIST etc. on S3. We only charge you for off-network GETs and the associated data transfer, on-network is free.

US company: What do you mean LIST etc. should be free ?

You know what else I like about the EU companies ?

At least two of them allow pay as you go from a reducing credit balance.

Yes that's right US companies. It IS possible to give your customers a way to 100% guarantee you will never have an "oops I just spent a million dollars overnight" moment.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by nasretdinov »

jbombadil wrote: post #58
nasretdinov wrote: post #42

My hope is that all this push towards tech independence (not just from EU) will make the most "basic" tools open-source and they wouldn't suck as much as they do now. What I mean by this is e.g. you can already use Linux on a desktop and it's generally okay (or even good sometimes), however things like LibreOffice are absolutely unusable in terms of performance, functionality and user friendliness compared to e.g. Ke…

I hope so too, but don't believe that's the ultimate intent here. The problem is that the tech independence is being pushed by government who want more control - not less. (Not speaking specifically of France and this instance, but looking at the anti-encryption rules that the UK and Ireland are pushing) From that standpoint, I imagine the "solution" here won't be to push an open source alternative, but a closed one…

I agree that it's not an intent. However hopefully it's going to be open-source, as is the case for most government work in the UK for example. One can dream I guess

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by bsimpson »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #63
duxup wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is that option?

Visio from https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

It's funny that it's such a blatant knock-off of Google Workspace - the repos even have the same names:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

I wonder if the emoji will grow into its own set:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet/blob/main/src/fronten...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by idontwantthis »

nehal3m wrote: post #28
idontwantthis wrote: post #13

I wonder if the EU will begin trying to recruit American software engineers. I’d love to move to France.

Why wait? If you can get a work visa you might as well, independent of this push. English proficiency in France isn't amazing though (speaking as a Dutchman that visits France most summers), so learning French would be a big help.

Do you have a suggestion of where to begin looking? Doesn't have to be France either.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by mcoliver »

duxup wrote: post #61
concinds wrote: post #59

Not so much "aiming" as doing it. The alternative already exists, is open-source, and used by 40,000 government users. By 2027 all government agencies will use it exclusively.

What is that option?

Visio with live kit (part of lasuite) or opendesk with jitsi would be my guess.

https://livekit.io/ https://www.clever.cloud/product/visio/ https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

https://jitsi.org/ https://www.opendesk.eu/en

As an aside I am surprised it has taken this long but seems inevitable now given the last 18 months.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by alecco »

cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Better is not enough make people change, sadly. This is why VCs burn so much money to establish products.
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