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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

#51

Switching to sovereignty-protecting, locally-hosted collaboration, compute, and storage is by no means impossible. FOSS advocates have been eagerly beating this drum and providing options for 25+ years. The missing ingredient has always been the will to absorb the inevitable cost of change, and the friction of choosing something other than the standard, go-to, often at least apparently free (or at least bundled) tool…

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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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I don't see the dependency on these productivity and communication tools as that difficult of a problem to solve. They are going to have a much harder time weaning off American cloud infrastructure and on to something purely domestic.

Hardware is the biggest problem: PCs (CPUs, RAMs, GPUs), Cellphones, routers, etc.

Globalization appears to be self imploding by virtue of the current american president.

Now everybody realises you can trust no one.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

#54

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ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

I’ve used OVH for multiple projects and they’ve been wonderful to work with.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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They've been incentivizing it for years. Talent passport, EU Blue card and the Tech Visa. As I have heard they'll pay you to move there. Expect 50% salary and taxes that will make your eyes water. French bureaucracy is kafkaesque even in 2026. Other than that I agree I'd love to move there.

Taxes are not really an issue because of the services you get out of it: free healthcare, free education for your kids, etc. But yes, salary before taxes is much lower than in the US. If your goal is to make as much money as possible, either stay in US or move to a different European country (Northern Europe or Switzerland).

As a software engineer in the US you're not really worrying about access to health care, and have access to public schools as well.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

Even assuming this is true, EU cloud providers no longer have to compete with their American counterparts on an even footing thanks to the insanity coming out of the White House (and American society more generally). There's a very big push to get off of American providers, and many (though not all) customers are willing to make sacrifices to do so.

If providers like OVH play their cards right, they can use this sudden influx of cash to both scale up, and improve their offerings. There's a lot of money on the table right now.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

#57

I don't see the dependency on these productivity and communication tools as that difficult of a problem to solve. They are going to have a much harder time weaning off American cloud infrastructure and on to something purely domestic.

ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

CleverCloud, Hetzner

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

#58

My hope is that all this push towards tech independence (not just from EU) will make the most "basic" tools open-source and they wouldn't suck as much as they do now. What I mean by this is e.g. you can already use Linux on a desktop and it's generally okay (or even good sometimes), however things like LibreOffice are absolutely unusable in terms of performance, functionality and user friendliness compared to e.g. Ke…

I hope so too, but don't believe that's the ultimate intent here.

The problem is that the tech independence is being pushed by government who want more control - not less. (Not speaking specifically of France and this instance, but looking at the anti-encryption rules that the UK and Ireland are pushing)

From that standpoint, I imagine the "solution" here won't be to push an open source alternative, but a closed one that they to control.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

#60

My hope is that all this push towards tech independence (not just from EU) will make the most "basic" tools open-source and they wouldn't suck as much as they do now. What I mean by this is e.g. you can already use Linux on a desktop and it's generally okay (or even good sometimes), however things like LibreOffice are absolutely unusable in terms of performance, functionality and user friendliness compared to e.g. Ke…

As much as I cheer for OpenOffice, it sucks. And it has been decades now.

I'm not even an advanced Word / Google Doc user.

Are we gonna wait for 100 more years for it to be good?

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