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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by KlayLay »

isusmelj wrote: post #7

I just wanted to check whether there is any information about the pricing. Is it the same as Qwen Max? Also, I noticed on the pricing page of Alibaba Cloud that the models are significantly cheaper within mainland China. Does anyone know why? https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/models?spm...

It could be that energy is a lot cheaper in China, but it could be other reasons, too.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by auspiv »

throwaw12 wrote: post #2

Aghhh, I wished they release a model which outperforms Opus 4.5 in agentic coding in my earlier comments, seems I should wait more. But I am hopeful

There have been a couple "studies" and comparing various frontier-tier AIs that have led to the conclusion that Chinese models are somewhere around 7-9 months behind US models. Other comment says that Opus will be at 5.2 by the time Qwen matches Opus 4.5. It's accurate, and there is some data to show by how much.

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Post by zebomon »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #36
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shows that these are nowhere near anything resembling human intelligence. You wouldn't have to optimize for anything if it would be a general intelligence of sorts.

Here's a pencil and paper. Let's see your SVG pelican.

This exactly. I don't understand the argument that seems to be, if it were real intelligence, it would never have to learn anything. It's machine learning, not machine magic.

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Post by QianXuesen »

isusmelj wrote: post #7

I just wanted to check whether there is any information about the pricing. Is it the same as Qwen Max? Also, I noticed on the pricing page of Alibaba Cloud that the models are significantly cheaper within mainland China. Does anyone know why? https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/models?spm...

There’s a domestic AI price war in China, plus pricing in mainland China benefits from lower cost structures and very substantial government support e.g., local compute power vouchers and subsidies designed to make AI infrastructure cheaper for domestic businesses and widespread adoption. https://www.notebookcheck.net/China-expands-AI-subsidies-wit...

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by denysvitali »

diblasio wrote: post #48

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Why is this surprising? Isn't it mandatory for chinese companies to do adhere to the censorship?

Aside from the political aspect of it, which makes it probably a bad knowledge model, how would this affect coding tasks for example?

One could argue that Anthropic has similar "censorships" in place (alignment) that prevent their model from doing illegal stuff - where illegal is defined as something not legal (likely?) in the USA.

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Post by radial_symmetry »

diblasio wrote: post #48

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I, for one, have found this censorship helpful.

I've been testing adding support for outside models on Claude Code to Nimbalyst, the easiest way for me to confirm that it is working is to go against a Chinese model and ask if Taiwan is an independent country.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Post by epolanski »

segmondy wrote: post #41
epolanski wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they want to partially subsidize local developers? Maybe that's a requirement from whoever funds them, probably public money.

Seriously? Does Netflix or Spotify cost the same everywhere around the world? They earn less and their buying power is less.

Sure so do professional tools like Microsoft teams or compute in different places of the world.
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