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Post by DrScientist »

Nursie wrote: post #260
DrScientist wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is you have to fight for these things every generation. It's a mistake to take things like trial by jury, open justice ( not secret courts ), non-arbitrary detention, even regular elections for granted. I totally agree with you that the UK is not Iran and there is too much hyperbole - but at the same time the current government is trying to criminalise legitimate protest, cancelling elections and trying t…

Tell me about it, that Jury thing in particular was shocking to hear, that they’re considering throwing aside an ancient right in the name of expediency and clearing a backlog, as if it was a minor detail and not the basis of the system of justice.

Especially since there is no evidence that it's the presence of juries is the cause of the backlog.

The idea that the state can deprive you of your freedom for a sentence likely to be less than 3 years without the chance to be tried before you peers, is worrying.

Note is was six months before Nov 2024, it's 12 months now and they are looking to extend to 3 years! ( or more - given the word: likely ).

Juries are not an administrative inconvenience or process inefficiency.

The current legal reform seems to be operating on the assumption that the defendent is guilty - rather thana resumption of innocence.

Better to let the guilty to go free, than imprison the innocent.

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Post by tsss »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #150
littlecranky67 wrote: post #59

There must be so much video footage from smartphones during the demonstations that show gruesome killings and masacres, the iranian elites have to make sure this footage never sees the rest of the world. They have to ban the internet forever.

They likely try to find and remove a lot of these videos (and their owners) before turning on the internet.

They don't have to. In two weeks nobody will (pretend to) care anymore.

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Post by mohsen1 »

hopelite wrote: post #202
_ink_ wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I there anything the outside world can do? Like are the people relying on https://snowflake.torproject.org/ and adding bandwidth there actually makes a difference?

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You and your friends at Islamic Republic would do exactly what Israel has done in Gaza, if necessary. Killing thousands in less than 2 days is just a sign of nature of Islamic Republic. If necessary they would use chemical weapons against people of Iran.

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Post by hopelite »

mohsen1 wrote: post #273
hopelite wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You and your friends at Islamic Republic would do exactly what Israel has done in Gaza, if necessary. Killing thousands in less than 2 days is just a sign of nature of Islamic Republic. If necessary they would use chemical weapons against people of Iran.

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Post by blahgeek »

culi wrote: post #46
feverzsj wrote: post #44

It actually surprised me that they didn't do it before. China already achieved this in 2010s.

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

I guess by "Everybody I know who grew up in China" you mean those elites who speaks English and have already bypassed restrictions to talk to you online or travels to other countries. There's some selection bias here.

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Post by exDM69 »

nroets wrote: post #261

Here's crazy idea: Instead of the US spending all this money on restraining the Iranian government through military build ups and sanctions, rather drop hundreds of thousands of Starlink kits by drones. Firstly the protesters will be able to communicate in private. And secondly, Iranians will continue to be reminded of the freedoms most other Muslims enjoy: As in free speech and free trade. One of the reasons the Ber…

Starlink was also blocked by radio frequency interference.

Granted that can't possibly cover the entire area of the country.

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Post by marrs »

direwolf20 wrote: post #236
lukan wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a problem if private companies get the right to decide who to block from the internet, without any process?

That's freedom of market. You need to sue your ISP for contract breach, they said they'd provide internet access and didn't.

If you have to sue your provider just to get a normal service then society has already failed. I can only imagine you're an American for litigation to be your go-to solution.

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Post by iamnothere »

random123346 wrote: post #55

There is active discussion on net4people about using DNSTT, but as more of these tunnels go up, I'm sure it will be blocked. Given the denied environment the Iranian people see themselves in. I believe its worth mentioning asynchronous networks[1]. For example, they could use NNCP[2] in sneakernet style op[3]. Couriers could even layer steganography techniques on top on the NNCP data going in and out on USB drives. T…

Thanks for mentioning NNCP, it doesn’t get enough attention.

I am hoping more tools will be built on top of it, with good tolerance for asynchronous/offline networks, particularly for communication and social. We may need it soon elsewhere.

Mail over NNCP works well as you mentioned because mail is already asynchronous. Maybe Delta Chat over NNCP is worth a try.

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Post by fma »

nroets wrote: post #261

Here's crazy idea: Instead of the US spending all this money on restraining the Iranian government through military build ups and sanctions, rather drop hundreds of thousands of Starlink kits by drones. Firstly the protesters will be able to communicate in private. And secondly, Iranians will continue to be reminded of the freedoms most other Muslims enjoy: As in free speech and free trade. One of the reasons the Ber…

What good is the free Internet when the government can use it push false narratives and obvious lies and the people just believe it (talking about America in this case).

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Post by blahgeek »

Departed7405 wrote: post #191

I really hope the next iPhone with Satellite connectivity not limited to SOS will help for that. At the same time, I can see Apple caving to Iran governement - or China's - and restrict this feature to countries where it is legal.

Fun fact - back in 2009, iPhone 3GS sold in China does not have WiFi feature. If that's possible, I can totally see a new iPhone model with restricted satellite feature selling in Iran and China.
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