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UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

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Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

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Where does this end? Turtles all the way down. If VPNs require age verification, then people will shift to running a VPN on a cheap VPS. Probably via a popular single-click setup script. Or people will just get drawn to more seedy providers that do no KYC or have ulterior motives. If I was Russia, I'd consider operating a free VPN or VPS service that MITMs the traffic.

There will always be a way out if you are dedicated enough. They "just" want to make it unviable for most of the population.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#52
Can we somehow get age verification without IDs? Age verification itself is OK as an idea. I’m happy to show ID to buy alcohol at the store… but the store clerk doesn’t take a photo of that ID and store it in logs somewhere forever.

Can we please get a law where kids won’t just take their parents’ IDs and upload them to random places?

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#53
Every government in the world right now wants to get their hands on the controls and put their thumb on the scales here. Modern social media has proven to be effectively remote control for their citizens, nothing like this kind of power has never existed before and is absolutely irresistible to politicians. Expect them all to be laser focused on this until they're able to seize complete control, no matter how long it takes or how roundabout the path to this is.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#54

Not made clear in this article - this bill will be passed back to the House of Commons to debate/amend before going back to the House of Lords. This was not the final say.

The Commons are even more hungry for pervasive online surveillance than the Lords - at least, while Labour and the Tories are in power.

Reform UK (the party currently leading in the polls by a large margin) is the only party that loudly opposed the draconian measures within the Online Safety Act and promise to repeal it

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#55
post #34

Same article also says the bill includes a ban on social media for users under 16, like Australia. Pretty dramatic change. Meanwhile the government and official accounts continue to use X even as they're trying to ban it. Mixed messaging. Lead proponent of the VPN ban: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nash,_Baron_Nash ; he's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_for_Policy_Studies again, the dead hand of Thatcherism…

I never thought I'd say this, but I now fully approve of social media bans for children, screw under 16s, let's go further no children on the internet full stop. No mobile data plans for under 18s, arrest parents if they are found allowing their children to use a computer with an internet connection at home. Remove the internet from schools.

Then we can get rid of the online safety act, no need to dox adults if we just ban the children.

Then when the government refuses to repeal the OSA, we can then have an open and honest discussion about the real reasons that act exists.

Being sarcastic, but at the same time...

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#56
post #51

Where does this end? Turtles all the way down. If VPNs require age verification, then people will shift to running a VPN on a cheap VPS. Probably via a popular single-click setup script. Or people will just get drawn to more seedy providers that do no KYC or have ulterior motives. If I was Russia, I'd consider operating a free VPN or VPS service that MITMs the traffic.

There will always be a way out if you are dedicated enough. They "just" want to make it unviable for most of the population.

That, and then the dedicated stick out like sore thumb.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It drives me nuts that local governments in the US continue to use Twitter/X to disseminate communications, despite having perfectly good web sites of their own.

Those websites aren't easy to update. I have a website of my own too, and even though I've set it up to be as painless as possible, it's always going to be easier for me to open a social media app and post. Now imagine that the local government has a website that can only be changed by contacting a web developer, who takes 1-2 business days to reply. It might not be as bad as that, but I wouldn't be surprised if that…

Most content websites that are managed by a organisation such as a council/government or are usually driven by some CMS software. Updates are usually done by a content/social media team. These people are also posting the updates to twitter.

It isn't the late 90s/2000s anymore where people are uploading HTML files over FTP.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#58
I think we need to accept that age verification makes the internet safer. What we cannot accept is age verification's use as a mechanism to pry too far into peoples lives. When we can separate age verification from who am I, most people will be happier. What's tricky is who validates age? Your ISP? Your government? Your OS? A thirty party? Who accredits third-parties, and can you trust them? I'm convinced there's a way to solve this do we can keep the internet safe and not intrude massively on peoples privacy.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been met with that kind of stone walling before too, you know what eventually worked to actually turn the position of a local councilwoman? Going to her office and demand to speak with her, then sitting down, listening and having a conversation with her. Turns out that most of the emails "she" wrote to me was written by an assistant "to save her time" and she weren't aware of the points I was trying to bring up.…

Councillors have a totally different role though and aren't involved in creating legislation

Yeah, also they could be male. Don't take it so literal, the point I'm making is about going and physically meeting people, not about what title/label those people have.

Re: UK House of Lords Votes to Extend Age Verification to VPNs

#60

Every government in the world right now wants to get their hands on the controls and put their thumb on the scales here. Modern social media has proven to be effectively remote control for their citizens, nothing like this kind of power has never existed before and is absolutely irresistible to politicians. Expect them all to be laser focused on this until they're able to seize complete control, no matter how long it…

Counterpoint - Governments are attempting to wrest political control away from coordinated global corporate fascists.
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