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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by incision »

five18pm wrote: post #147
incision wrote: post #83

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I find this troll genuinely amusing as "just works" device support is a major reason I've been running Ubuntu heavily since 2005. In fact, the last time I ran into any issue wasn't on a desktop. It was Ubuntu server on a newly launched Cisco UCS blade nearly 2+ years ago. At the time, I'm not sure what if anything could recognize a VIC out of the box (Ubuntu does as of 11.04).

Its not a troll comment. I just spent 3 hours poring over how CUPS worked in 12.04 and trying to find out why my USB printer is not working. I just could not fix it and rebooted my laptop to Windows to print. And this after installing the official drivers and reading the official install guide, etc. The damned thing was that they have changed CUPS yet again in 12.04 and whatever the official docs says is not valid an…

>Its not a troll comment.

Sure it is, it's a short, inciteful quip that required little effort and provided absolutely nothing in the way support yet produced a 30-odd comment tangent, a solid 20% of all commentary. Pretty much the definition of a reasonably successful troll.

>I will just use Windows, which contrary to all the complaints that people keep making, actually "just works".

Because one of your anecdotes is worth more than all of theirs.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by donniezazen »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #95
donniezazen wrote: post #84

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I really wish I could use Evernote on Linux.

You can via the Chrome/Chromium addons: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/evernote-web/lbfeh... For whatever reason there's no counterpart for Firefox, just Evernote's Web Clipper addon and Readability.com clones. There's also Springpad which has its note-taking addons for both browsers. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/springpad/?sr... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/springpad/fkmopoa…

I have explored all these options but a dedicated Linux client would be awesome.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by donniezazen »

keidian wrote: post #94
donniezazen wrote: post #84

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I really wish I could use Evernote on Linux.

I haven't really used it too much (i usually use evernote on my tablet), but Nevernote is supposed to work http://nevernote.sourceforge.net/

In my opinion Everpad is better Evernote client.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by wyclif »

vacri wrote: post #149
wyclif wrote: post #132

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If what you want is a "traditional desktop" UI and you're running Debian, ISTM you'd have plenty of options. You can install a complete environment (GNOME 2, XFCE) or one of the many tiling wm's (awesome, dwm, xmonad, &c).

As far as I am aware, gnome 2 was losing maintainer focus. Certainly right now, it's hard to clearly find gnome 2/debian sid results on google - something that is important when things go wrong. XFCE is somewhat coarse but usable... if only it wasn't the only desktop that prevented my laptop from resuming from sleep. The tiling WMs I haven't installed, but when looking at their webpages don't seem to be traditional d…

Right. Correction to my comment above: I meant to separate the tiling wm's out of "trad desktop" distinctions: I don't think the tiling wm is what most users think of when considering desktop UIs. Still, I from what I've seen wm's like awesome or xmonad do a good job of maximising screen real estate and make everything keyboard-centric, which saves a lot of time for developers.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by jebblue »

icelancer wrote: post #141
jebblue wrote: post #85

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a pow…

I'll grant you that Ubuntu is the best (at least one of the best) flavors of desktop Linux, but server Linux? Strongly disagree. Why not just use vanilla Debian?

Never tried vanilla Debian or not in years. Ubuntu sold me on apt or I might not have spent more then a few months at a time on Linux like I used to do with Red Hat, SuSE, Fedora, etc.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by jebblue »

vacri wrote: post #131
jebblue wrote: post #85

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a pow…

Canonical has specifically said that they're targetting the new users, and that if you're a power user, there are tons of other distros out there made just for you. There aren't a lot of choices for newbies, so that's the niche they're aiming for. Out of curiosity, why do you say Ubuntu is a better server linux than it's daddy, Debian?

I tried an attempt at an answer for icedancer I think it was just now but here goes, I tried Debian years ago but the setup wasn't clicking for me. My first attempt at Linux was in 1994 with Slackware, I've tried Red Hat before the split, SuSE (liked YaST it made RPM palatable - hope I'm not repeating myself) anyway Ubuntu on the server in a CLI and on the Desktop clicks for me.

Unity works, it is still a lockout and I feel like a visitor to my Desktop since Unity. This was not how earlier Ubuntu felt with Gnome. For games (due to performance) Xfce is good and would be ok for general use I think.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by jebblue »

fusiongyro wrote: post #100
jebblue wrote: post #85

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a pow…

After about 8 years of screwing around with my window manager and whatnot I switched to Mac OS X and did not find that the lack of configurability was a significant detriment to my productivity. In fact, in some ways it was beneficial, because I spent fewer days trying out new window managers and configuring them. Going back to Linux with Ubuntu, I rather like Unity because it gets me past the hump of all that nonsen…

My reason for never trying Apple products (I hope I don't get buried in down votes) but end of the day ... here goes, I just thought they (Steve not Steve) had a smug attitude. That bothered me. I guess it still does. I don't want to hold that long term, but the more I read ... never mind this is about a good Linux distribution, Ubuntu (holding a candle out for Unity to improve ... a lot). (hint forget mobile, let Android and iOS have that). We desktop users are not feeling the love now, new users sure, the rest, nah.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by skinnymuch »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #47
ordinary wrote: post #40

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You know how the IE team sent (do they still?) cakes to Mozilla for Firefox major version releases? This is the opposite of that.

They stopped sending cakes once the Firefox team started releasing versions faster to get more cakes from Microsoft.

It may be the middle of the night, but I laughed far too hard at your comment.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by SkyMarshal »

donniezazen wrote: post #152
SkyMarshal wrote: post #95

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You can via the Chrome/Chromium addons: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/evernote-web/lbfeh... For whatever reason there's no counterpart for Firefox, just Evernote's Web Clipper addon and Readability.com clones. There's also Springpad which has its note-taking addons for both browsers. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/springpad/?sr... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/springpad/fkmopoa…

I have explored all these options but a dedicated Linux client would be awesome.

Indeed, but lets not hold our breaths. The dedicated Linux client is pretty much Firefox or Chrome/ium these days.
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