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Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Post by dr_dshiv »

krzat wrote: post #39

I wonder what kind of physics hides in interactions between waves and neurons (I know it's a cursed topic).

Like the large scale, nearly speed-of-light continuous electrical field fluctuations that influence long-distance discrete neural firing and may be the basis for conscious experience?

Curses!

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Post by hackinthebochs »

Tarq0n wrote: post #22
reg_dunlop wrote: post #13

The idea of "ownership of a body" made me think about a quote I heard a long time ago, while talking amongst musicians while waiting to get up and perform. It felt like some secret knowledge that I gained privilege to, while somewhat inebriated and it hasn't left me since. > I _have_ a body, I _am_ a soul. Maybe what they're identifying is the first half of that statement, how we interpret the former, through the pre…

Dualism is almost always unhelpful as a model. Your soul is a process your body runs, they are indistinguishable.

It doesn't have to be a reference to dualism. We can draw a distinction between specific patterns of brain activity and the body that realizes it. "I" exist only when the characteristic property of neural activity that realizes the self is present. I am the realization of this second-order property. Here the "soul" is this specific pattern of dynamics realized by my body's neurons.

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Post by ajuc »

reg_dunlop wrote: post #13

The idea of "ownership of a body" made me think about a quote I heard a long time ago, while talking amongst musicians while waiting to get up and perform. It felt like some secret knowledge that I gained privilege to, while somewhat inebriated and it hasn't left me since. > I _have_ a body, I _am_ a soul. Maybe what they're identifying is the first half of that statement, how we interpret the former, through the pre…

I think of it this way:

    Person me = new Person {
      body: { ... },
      personality/soul: { ... },
      emotionalState: { ... },
      memories: { ... }
    }
The "me" is very small - it's just the structure that holds the pointers to everything else.

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Post by ajuc »

zozbot234 wrote: post #36
roenxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that with mental phenomenon too - eg, having memories, feelings, consciousness, thoughts. All aspects of "I" that might be present or not - so they can't really be said to be you as much as possessed by you for a moment. Insofar as a soul exists for you to be ... it is quite small.

> You can do that with mental phenomenon too - eg, having memories, feelings, consciousness, thoughts. But once you carry that reasoning to its full conclusion, the original argument for a "soul" or "self" that can even be meaningfully called "I" vanishes entirely. There still is some sort of underlying "true" subjective awareness that's felt to be ontologically basic in some sense (just like the "soul") but now it's…

Yes. That's the point? Your personality might change and you're still you.

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Post by meindnoch »

mystraline wrote: post #16

So, how far does the human electric field extend outside the body? May be only picovolts or in that range... But can we measure that? Does the field exist past our skin? Can things like meditation modify that? Or how about stuff like OOBE's like what some folks call astral projection? What do those practices to to the body's electric field?

>So, how far does the human electric field extend outside the body?

Electromagnetic fields extend infinitely.

>Can things like meditation modify that?

Anything you do with your brain changes the electric field. Reading this comment changed the electric field generated by your brain by some tiny amount.

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Post by meindnoch »

prox wrote: post #24
mystraline wrote: post #16

So, how far does the human electric field extend outside the body? May be only picovolts or in that range... But can we measure that? Does the field exist past our skin? Can things like meditation modify that? Or how about stuff like OOBE's like what some folks call astral projection? What do those practices to to the body's electric field?

There is something like the heart field, about 3 to 4 feet according to the article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20664147/ Meditation can alter a lot of “you” , and there is a reason you learn the advanced stuff under a guru (yoga mostly) or monk (buddhism).

Let's see this article! The abstract begins with:

>Recent health research has focused on subtle energy and vibrational frequency as key components of health and healing.

*ding ding, crackpot alert, ding ding*

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