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Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by IndySun »

dmtroyer wrote: post #117
palata wrote: post #78

> My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, [...] Then I guess it's off to Switzerland ( https://proton.me/about ); I am all for moving away from Gmail, but I think this is completely the wrong way to do it. Why go through the hassle of changing your @gmail for @microsoft (or whatever it is?), already thinking about moving to @proton.me in the future? Get your own domain, and then you won't depend on the service pro…

iCloud is also a decent option. Works well for me.

How long have you been using iCloud for email? Has it been a long time (decade or so), and/or is that email for work/serious stuff, or casual use? Or both? I find it has gone from awful to patchy. But decent is pushing it. I use it casually/newsletters etc..

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by palata »

dmtroyer wrote: post #117
palata wrote: post #78

> My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, [...] Then I guess it's off to Switzerland ( https://proton.me/about ); I am all for moving away from Gmail, but I think this is completely the wrong way to do it. Why go through the hassle of changing your @gmail for @microsoft (or whatever it is?), already thinking about moving to @proton.me in the future? Get your own domain, and then you won't depend on the service pro…

iCloud is also a decent option. Works well for me.

Whatever floats your boat. My point is that you should own your domain so that you are not locked in.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by palata »

woleium wrote: post #103
palata wrote: post #78

> My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, [...] Then I guess it's off to Switzerland ( https://proton.me/about ); I am all for moving away from Gmail, but I think this is completely the wrong way to do it. Why go through the hassle of changing your @gmail for @microsoft (or whatever it is?), already thinking about moving to @proton.me in the future? Get your own domain, and then you won't depend on the service pro…

google hosts 1/4 of all emails. They will probably have most of your email anyway

Sure. So what?

Even if you use Gmail, you should do it behind your own domain. So that you are not locked in.

Now I can understand saying "I have been on Gmail for years and I can't be arsed to update my address everywhere". It's not a lot of work (I've done it and it was actually a lot easier than I had anticipated), but it's work. And in a world where people can't be arsed to spend 3 clicks installing Signal, updating an email address sounds like a PhD. (I am being judgemental here, but you get my point :-) ).

But the article says "I am moving, I decided to do the work of updating my address everywhere!". And the only reasonable way to do this is to move to your own domain, IMO.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by wolvoleo »

drcongo wrote: post #71
autoexec wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I laughed when I saw he'd moved to MS, but I'd love to get some more alternatives. My ISP has already said they're going to stop providing email service at some point in the near future and I'll have to migrate at some point. In the past I'd picked up a cheap domain and self-hosted for a bit, but I'd love to not have to. Any good email providers out there that actually respect their customers and support IMAP?

I moved my personal email from Google a few years ago to https://inbox.eu which was by far the cheapest option for mailboxes for the whole family on custom domains etc. They've been very solid, I have no regrets. Their spam filtering has been a little hit and miss but other than that, solid. Work email is moving from Google to https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro - if you're not bothered about custom domai…

I tried to get the free tier but even when I select personal it only offers me paid options.

Very weird and it feels misleading because they advertise free so much. I just wanted to try it out with an intent to subscribe but I left it because of that.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by wolvoleo »

tklenke wrote: post #2

Recently I was surprised to see a Google Gemini summary at the top of my email on my phone. A day or two later this appeared in my web client as well. Look, I love our new overlords (for the record m'lords I nearly always use please and thank you. I was an early adopter. I still am a frequent user..I mean someone who has all the answers and blows smoke up my ass..perfect right! Despite that, it appears it's not good…

Moving away from gmail doesn't solve the AI training issue completely because there's still going to be a lot of mails going to and from gmail subscribers. It's just that ubiquitous.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by palata »

woleium wrote: post #119
goku12 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They never said anything about keeping their messages away from Google. It's about having some agency. One fine morning, you'll find yourself locked out of your gmail account and every other Google service because they just decided that something you said isn't politically correct. You'll also be locked out of any external thrid-party services that rely on Google's OAuth service, email 2FA or verification. You'll nev…

I think it’s more about picking your battles. I don’t use google oauth, prefer user pass and email I use google for email and docs, it’s convenient. i use my own domain though, and i backup my data nightly. I feel like i have de-risked the relationship as much as is reasonable and am happy to move if i have to with minimal data or access loss (time to restore all data somewhere may be a bit of an issue, but there are…

> I think it’s more about picking your battles.

Often it is not so much about "not using Google" (they are pretty much a monopoly, they don't care). It's more about "supporting something that is not Google".

> and am happy to move if

In order to move, you need for an alternative to exist. And alternatives exist because some people use them :-).

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by BAHKA »

> My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, so hopefully will be free of the outages and limits some of you have experienced with that email in the past.

I don’t even know where to begin with this...

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by soraminazuki »

woleium wrote: post #120
soraminazuki wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not the '00s anymore and most emails don't come from personal gmail accounts. Almost every single email that people receive are automated ones that come from corporations.

Google Workspace + Microsoft 365 together around 95% of hosted corporate seats. Total people using email (2024–2025): about 4.5–4.6 billion. Google (Gmail consumer + Google Workspace): ≈3.0 billion active users/mailboxes. numbers from perplexity, but probably good enough for casual conversation

All of the services you mentioned are primarily for handwritten emails.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by dmtroyer »

IndySun wrote: post #121
dmtroyer wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iCloud is also a decent option. Works well for me.

How long have you been using iCloud for email? Has it been a long time (decade or so), and/or is that email for work/serious stuff, or casual use? Or both? I find it has gone from awful to patchy. But decent is pushing it. I use it casually/newsletters etc..

oh, yeah, I dont' use it very seriously. mostly a secondary personal address.
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