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Post by Fnoord »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #203
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

It reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.

Nowadays we got doxing laws in my country, but... the guy behind Palantir (look up where that name stems from, too) is called Peter Thiel.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

mindslight wrote: post #346
neilv wrote: post #287

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That questionable-sounding stunt by the media outlet wasn't comparable: Google/Alphabet knows much more about individuals than addresses, salary, and political donations. Google/Alphabet knows quite a lot about your sentiments, what information you've seen, your relationships, who can get to you, who you can get to, your hopes and fears, your economic situation, your health conditions, assorted kompromat, your moveme…

> Schmidt is actually from OG Internet circles where many people were aware of privacy issues, and who were vigilant against incursions. > But perhaps he had a different philosophical position. Or perhaps it was his job to downplay the risks I feel that as the consumer surveillance industry took off, everyone from those OG Internet circles was presented with a choice - stick with the individualist hacker spirit, or t…

100% that is exactly what happened and in public

Just invoking Richard Stallman will prove it because the smear campaign on him was so thorough.

Linus seems to be the only one that made it out.

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Post by midlander »

afpx wrote: post #526
midlander wrote: post #497

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I mean, isn't Israel the best candidate country, though?

Not sure what point you were trying to make, but if it was about inconsistency on the Left, you could’ve picked better examples, like give all Americans citizenship to Greenland, or give all Russians citizenship in Ukraine.

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Post by KittenInABox »

abustamam wrote: post #494
KittenInABox wrote: post #436

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> Every single one of the tens of millions of people who have illegally immigrated to the United States over the past few decades is a criminal who can be legally deported. I 100% agree with this sentiment and that is why I strongly support speeding the asylum application process through redirecting immigration enforcement funding to bolstering the courts. Our backlog should be 0 before we start knocking door to door…

Yeah, I agree. The emphasis on expanded field enforcement is backwards. If millions of people are "illegal" primarily because they are stuck in multi-year backlogs, then the failure is in the court and asylum system, not in a lack of raids. From a systems perspective, we're heavily funding the most expensive and disruptive part of the pipeline (identification and removal) while starving the part that actually resolve…

I agree the administration's goal is not to restore legal order or even public safety. Hate makes you stupid. Hating a people makes you really stupid. I don't think it really has a goal, not even Project 2025 or whatever. It's too stupid. It's like a teenager breaking its own xbox because its gf didn't text it fast enough. Nonsensical anger directed towards random innocents.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

direwolf20 wrote: post #452
trimethylpurine wrote: post #375

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> What is stopping this lowlife Same as with all other crime, we hope it's the law that stops him. We hope that more policemen want to be good men than bad. The illusion of safety is based on the honor system. Society doesn't work without that.

Does it actually work like we hope it does?

No and it never has

It only works for people the state expects significant amounts of money from (taxes don’t count)

Don’t expect a government to help you unless you’re one of its larger donors

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Fnoord »

charcircuit wrote: post #305
throw-qqqqq wrote: post #208

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I usually just quote Snowden instead: “Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

I feel "people should not have have consequences for what they say", and "people should be able to avoid consequences for what they have done", are separate concepts. One does not require believing in the other. For example I believe the former, but for the latter I believe everyone should be punished when they break the law.

> I feel "people should not have have consequences for what they say", and "people should be able to avoid consequences for what they have done", are separate concepts.

'Saying' is an example of 'doing', and the moderation to speech happens after the fact, including (yes) in USA. Consider the case of a person yelling fire or 'he's got a gun!' when there is none, or a death threat.

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #340
whatshisface wrote: post #187

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It is not you who plants weeds in the garden but the wind, but the wind won't weed them back out again.

A valid perspective, and I agree that a democracy only works as long as its citizens remain civically engaged. Unfortunately, I think it's too late for the US in its current form, and it might not be long before we see it split up into smaller regions, unless something suddenly kicks Congress into gear and people break ranks to impeach and disparage the Trump administration.

I can’t understand republicans in congress. They’d rather be a powerful dung eater than a respectable ex-congressman. Jan 6th should have been the last straw.

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Post by rlt »

AngryData wrote: post #528
rlt wrote: post #473

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The Sig Sauer P320, which is what Alex Pretti had, is notorious for unintentionally discharging. Various law enforcement agencies and militaries have stopped using it for that reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P320

"the firearm may discharge when it is dropped and the back of the slide hits the ground at a 33-degree angle" That is pretty hard to accomplish while its in a holster unless the guy was suplexed and his entire spine turned to jello giving the gun a multi-foot uncushioned drop. "misfire was due to "a partial depression of the trigger by a foreign object combined with simultaneous movement of the slide" Which is irrele…

If it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster.

If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun.

I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.

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