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AI Tribalism

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Re: AI Tribalism

#3
I agree with the thrust of this but:

> The models don’t have to get better, the costs don’t have to come down (heck, they could even double and it’d still be worth it), and we don’t need another breakthrough.

The costs should come down. I don’t know what costs this post refers to, but the cost of using Claude is almost definitely hiding the actual cost.

That said, I’m still hoping we ensure our public models out there work well enough with opencode or other options so my cost is more transparent to me, what is added to my electric bill rather than a subscription to Claude.

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post #2

> heck, they could even double and it’d still be worth it What about 10x more?

I'd pay $5000-$10,000 dollars per year for a full-time AI engineer powered by Claude or a similar backend.

Edit: If I get a raise, I'd consider paying up to $25,000 per year for the aforementioned Claude automaton.

Re: AI Tribalism

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This is kind of where I'm at.

I don't think everything is for certain though. I think it's 50/50 on whether Anthropic/whoever figures out how to turn them into more than a boilerplate generator.

The imprecision of LLMs is real, and a serious problem. And I think a lot of the engineering improvements (little s-curve gains or whatever) have caused more and more of these. Every step or improvement has some randomness/lossiness attached to it.

Context too small?:

- No worries, we'll compact (information loss)

- No problem, we'll fire off a bunch of agents each with their own little context window and small task to combat this. (You're trusting the coordinator to do this perfectly, and cutting the sub-agent off from the whole picture)

All of this is causing bugs/issues?:

- No worries, we'll have a review agent scan over the changes (They have the same issues though, not the full context, etc.)

Right now I think it's a fair opinion to say LLMs are poison and I don't want them to touch my codebase because they produce more output I can handle, and the mistakes they make are too subtle that I can't reliably catch them.

It's also fair to say that you don't care, and your work allows enough bugs/imprecision that you accept the risks. I do think there's a bit of an experience divide here, where people more experienced have been down the path of a codebase degrading until it's just too much to salvage – so I think that's part of why you see so much pushback. Others have worked in different environments, or projects of smaller scales where they haven't been bit by that before. But it's very easy to get to that place with SOTA LLMs today.

There's also the whole cost component to this. I think I disagree with the author about the value provided today. If costs were 5x what they are now, I think it would be a hard decision for me to decide if they are worth it. For prototypes, yes. But for serious work, where I need things to work right and be reasonably bug free, I don't know if the value works out.

I think everyone is right that we don't have the right architecture, and we're trying to fix layers of slop/imprecision by slapping on more layers of slop. Some of these issues/limitations seem fundamental and I don't know if little gains are going to change things much, but I'm really not sure and don't think I trust anyone working on the problem enough to tell me what the answer is. I guess we'll see in the next 6-12 months.

Re: AI Tribalism

#8
> The models don’t have to get better, the costs don’t have to come down (heck, they could even double and it’d still be worth it)

What worries me about this is that it might end up putting up a barrier for those that can't afford it. What do things look like if models cost $1000 or more a month and genuinely provide 3x productivity improvements?

Re: AI Tribalism

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> I’m mostly […] doing routine tasks that it’s slow at, like refactoring or renaming.

So… humans are now doing the stuff that computers are supposed to do and be good at?

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post #8

> The models don’t have to get better, the costs don’t have to come down (heck, they could even double and it’d still be worth it) What worries me about this is that it might end up putting up a barrier for those that can't afford it. What do things look like if models cost $1000 or more a month and genuinely provide 3x productivity improvements?

They want you to have to pay for an advantage. If a single AI provider gets enough advantage, they'll be able to charge whatever they want.
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