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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by unangst »

dragonwriter wrote: post #33
dayofthedaleks wrote: post #4

Bubble of protection is 3000 feet laterally and 1000 feet vertically. From the article: “Unlike traditional Temporary Flight Restrictions, the NOTAM does not provide geographic coordinates, activation times, or public notification when the restriction is in effect near a specific location. Instead, the restricted airspace moves with DHS assets, meaning the no-fly zone can appear wherever ICE or other DHS units operat…

So the unannounced movements of the secret police in their unmarked vehicles also create a bubble around them where usually-legal activity is illegal?

See no crimes. Hear no truth. Speak no facts.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by gtowey »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #34
dayofthedaleks wrote: post #4

Bubble of protection is 3000 feet laterally and 1000 feet vertically. From the article: “Unlike traditional Temporary Flight Restrictions, the NOTAM does not provide geographic coordinates, activation times, or public notification when the restriction is in effect near a specific location. Instead, the restricted airspace moves with DHS assets, meaning the no-fly zone can appear wherever ICE or other DHS units operat…

One of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is to have laws that are virtually impossible to not break. I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional for being overly vague and arbitrary. For example, Montana used to have some maximum speed limits that were just "reasonable and prudent", but they were eventually rejected by courts as being too vague (what's prudent to you may not be prudent to someone e…

> I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional

The rule of law has left the building. The SC is willing to rubber-stamp nearly anything right now.

Waiting and hoping for common sense to prevail is what allows authoritarian regimes to bulldoze through existing laws and norms. Even if the courts were an avenue for redress, they are being overwhelmed by the daily barrage of new illegal and unconstitutional actions. Once the courts get around to addressing these cases, the damage has been done and the precedent has been set.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by oawiejrlij »

speed_spread wrote: post #42
dragonwriter wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the unannounced movements of the secret police in their unmarked vehicles also create a bubble around them where usually-legal activity is illegal?

And reciprocally, where usually illegal activity (beating up people and kidnapping them) is legal.

You mean, shooting them ten times in the back?

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by oawiejrlij »

jacquesm wrote: post #38
Espressosaurus wrote: post #5

This is a useful measure to point the law as a weapon against drone operators who may be recording what’s going on by accident or on purpose. Any drone made in the last few years is going to be emitting its ID, which likely has been registered with the pilot’s name and contact information. They can then after the fact come down on that person without having to get facial recognition, grab cellphone beacons, or other…

It's trivial to build your own drone without a DroneID.

For some people

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

gear54rus wrote: post #27
arter45 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traditional, permanent no-fly areas tend to be enforced by the drone firmware (via GPS checks), so sometimes there is also a technological obstacle. This is probably not the case here, but IIRC there are criminal charges attached to violating NOTAMs, so there’s still some kind of deterrence.

What is the best hackable drone brand these days? Where you can remove all this bs remote ID and GPS disobedience?

$150 will build you a 7" with a reasonably long flying time, a bit more and you can do some pretty impressive things. You still need a controller but those can be had for cheap as well. The main issue would be hiding it for pickup until after the event.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by amluto »

How is an operator supposed to recognize these “MOBILE ASSETS”? For the case of ICE, ICE is reputed to try fairly hard to make it challenging to recognize their mobile assets. But the NOTAM says nothing about ICE per se, and there are lots of things that seem like they would qualify. On multiple occasions, I suspect that I have personally transported “DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY … MOBILE ASSETS”, and any drone flying nearby would have seen this as … a rental car with a couple people in it. All the DOE assets would have been in the trunk or maybe the back seat. Definitely assets and definitely mobile, but I suppose a court would need to determine whether they were MOBILE ASSETS or whether they were sufficiently associated with the DOE.

(Also, had this been in effect and if a drone had been a part of the project, which would not have been unreasonable [0], it would have been really annoying if I was carrying a portable do-not-fly zone and needed to get permission from the agency to take some photos of the equipment I was carrying.)

[0] To be fair, part of this project was in a location where operating a drone would have been inappropriate for reasons that have nothing to do with the FAA or national security.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by gtowey »

jacquesm wrote: post #38
Espressosaurus wrote: post #5

This is a useful measure to point the law as a weapon against drone operators who may be recording what’s going on by accident or on purpose. Any drone made in the last few years is going to be emitting its ID, which likely has been registered with the pilot’s name and contact information. They can then after the fact come down on that person without having to get facial recognition, grab cellphone beacons, or other…

It's trivial to build your own drone without a DroneID.

And you will be labeled a terrorist for doing so, regardless of intent.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

arthurcolle wrote: post #11
CamperBob2 wrote: post #7

My understanding is that DJI drones no longer enforce no-fly zones. Supposedly they still warn you when entering a restricted zone, but hard geofencing functionality is no longer in effect. Anyone know if that's true?

I highly doubt this Edit: owner of matrice m100 and a few other DJI drones

Matrice is a nice bit of kit. Building that kind of functionality from scratch with the same weight and range is very difficult.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

gtowey wrote: post #57
jacquesm wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's trivial to build your own drone without a DroneID.

And you will be labeled a terrorist for doing so, regardless of intent.

I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by yoyohello13 »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #31
13415 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the latest video and it was murder beyond any reasonable doubt. The ICE agent drew his gun and shot the man in the back at least four times while he was kneeling on the ground and being beaten and kicked by other ICE agents. That's a fact. I must assume you haven't watched the video.

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Why are you so intent on defending these ICE agents. Even if you think ICE is doing good stuff overall. If you actually cared about justice you would be at least calling for the officers involved to be suspended.
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