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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by AlotOfReading »

SoftTalker wrote: post #435
swiftcoder wrote: post #326

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I mean, as someone who is mainly a programmer, same. But high-end cameras, big touchscreens, and an excellent pencil input is sort of the optimal device for a whole bunch of creative tasks

Are the cameras "high-end"? Good for a phone, certainly. But compared to a real camera with a much bigger lens and sensor?

They're good enough to have displaced the vast majority of camera purchases, and be used by professionals (e.g. influencers, photojournalists, pro photographers).

There are benefits to larger sensors, but the best camera is the one you have in-hand.

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Post by ece »

Archit3ch wrote: post #443
onli wrote: post #56

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I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

> In which category are there better iOS apps? Audio, and it's not even close. On iPadOS you get full-fledged DAWs like Cubasis and Logic.

Cubasis and Blackmagic Camera are cross platform, not that "most people" would use these over whatever was preinstalled or the camera interface in their social app.

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Post by fsflover »

IshKebab wrote: post #419
ottah wrote: post #377

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I have struggled with getting anything functional on a Fairphone running Ubuntu Touch. The problem is you can't really run any Linux app, it has to be written to support their specific display manager. Running regular Linux apps is possible but not properly documented and I haven't gotten it to work. Android apps through Waydroid sort of works, but is unstable and not suitable for daily use. I really want Linux on mo…

It's never going to work. Any competitor that isn't Android won't have app support (e.g. you won't even be able to message people in 90% of the world where WhatsApp, Telegram, Line, etc. are the de facto communication method for almost the entire population). So you need some way to run Android apps... which is totally possible, but at that point why not just use Android?

Telegram desktop app works flawlessly on Mobian, PureOS, postmarketOS though. Whatsapp web version can be used, too.

> So you need some way to run Android apps... which is totally possible, but at that point why not just use Android?

Perhaps for reasons like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

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Post by lkjdsklf »

dietr1ch wrote: post #275
potatoproduct wrote: post #269

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""Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS."" You mean Apple has been forced by regulators to implement core features like USB-C and RCS? https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s... https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...

Sure, but uninformed consumers won't see it that way. Maybe in their circles it just sounds like a great idea and they thank Apple for implementing it.

Even if you’re an informed consumer, it doesn’t matter.

Whether they did it out of the goodness of their heart or because a regulator forced them, it’s still got usb-c

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Post by JimDabell »

nerdix wrote: post #341
manuelabeledo wrote: post #312

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Google core business is ads. It is not the same.

Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Whichever one you think is worse is really just a reflection of your own personal values. I value computing freedom above all.

> Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek.

Apple’s core business is selling hardware. Their services revenue is not even close to their hardware revenue.

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Post by wasabi991011 »

B1FIDO wrote: post #198
carlosjobim wrote: post #190

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>Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Yes, type yahoo.com into your browser, or install an app. Non-technical people love installing apps on their phones. >Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Yes, there are hundreds of good e-mail providers to use instead of Gmail. Easy for the non-technical person to use.

No, that is not how you change search engines. In Chrome on Android (and yeah, on desktop too) you just go into "Settings" and change your default search engine. I can choose between Google, Yahoo!, Bing, Yandex, or DuckDuckGo. There are also custom searches through Wikipedia and other resources. You can use little shortcuts to get to almost any custom search you set up in advance. This has been configurable by the u…

I've been using Edge on Android for a while now with 0 issues, switched because chrome was frequently crashing.

I think your issue is trying to switch off of Chrome while using a Chromebook.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

shuckles wrote: post #353
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #295

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> because things like Safari ...work really well Are we living in the same universe? We manage a fleet of tablets (both Apple and Android) for a healthcare company whose EMR is web-based. And because of that Sarafi has made our lives miserable. So much so that we're migrating to Chromebooks. I've been developing for the web for 15 years. The first half was spent battling Internet Explorer. Now it's Safari.

The people complaining about Safari often are running enterprise crapware that requires some esoteric Chrome API or bug to operate correctly and should actually be an app on iOS but cannot be funded as such because its creators don’t care about its users.

Then again, if a company can't polish a web browser app, then the native app they'd produce will be even worse.

Now you have a crappy app that only works on some devices, and now with no tabs, no links, text you cannot select anymore because they used the wrong component, etc.

Ugh.

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Post by functionmouse »

gruez wrote: post #383
goldenarm wrote: post #182

Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

>Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. No it's not. The term originated far before this debacle, and carries a meaningful distinction than just "installing". Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source. You might not agree the restriction should exist, or that even the concept of first party source at all, but for c…

before phones that was just called installing software
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