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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by em-bee »

shevy-java wrote: post #32
ccozan wrote: post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

are all starlink connections routed through the US?

don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

#42

Post by jillesvangurp »

blauditore wrote: post #33
heraldgeezer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Sounds like an access line issue with DSL (lol) DSL is so old you can't even order it in Sweden anymore. Also, the post above would be a core issue not access.

Excuse me, I remember when DSL was the latest and greatest, it can't possibly be this old. :')

That would be ~25 years ago. I remember getting my first ADSL connection around 2000 in the Netherlands when that stuff was still very new.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

#43

Post by zelphirkalt »

kybernetyk wrote: post #35
trinix912 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that with Telekom they answer to the German courts which might eventually force them to stop doing this but with Starlink you're at the mercy of some dudes halfway across the globe. If/when Starlink reaches the enshittification phase, there will be very little in the way.

Meh, the threat vector to me as a resident of Germany is the German government - not some dude at the other end of the world. What is Musk going to do? Ban me from Twitter? Not sell me a Tesla? That's nothing compared to what German authorities can do to me. Germany is a country where you get police searching your home for torrenting movies or making stupid jokes on Facebook. So yeah. Also about enshittification - on…

He could just turn off Starlink in Germany. And yes, German ISPs suck donkey ass.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by Doohickey-d »

avra wrote: post #36
ccozan wrote: post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

How can a satellite connection be more weather independent than a landline? Not questioning your statement. Just wondering what could be the reason. A segment with a long distance directional antenna?

With ADSL: broken waterproofing somewhere along the line, water gets into the cables or connections == broken while it's raining.

Then you call their customer support, tech comes out, it's not raining anymore and everything works, and the problem doesn't get fixed.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by usr1106 »

chpatrick wrote: post #2

I know about this issue so it's great that something is being done about it, but the page really needs a text explainer instead of the just a video.

Reading a couple of pages of the full complaint, starting from page 15 is surprisingly accessible (assuming German is accessible at all to the reader).

They claim Telekom keeps their transit access points intentionally underdimensioned. In order to be reachable at decent speed by Telekom customers, internet services need a direct, paid contract with Telekom.

Edit: The section numbering is weird. Why does 2.2.0 come after 2.3? On my phone, don't have a good overview.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by retired »

madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by lucianbr »

em-bee wrote: post #41
shevy-java wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

are all starlink connections routed through the US? don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?

What does it matter where they are routed through? You think your Starlink service in Germany is beyond the control of Musk or the US government?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by andreldm »

I have a contract with a smaller German ISP (Pyur), they do throttling too, uploading to Backblaze quickly gets capped to a few hundred bytes, sometimes the connection gets aborted. Using Mullvad or Tor gets around that. I considered switching to Telekom or Vodafone, gave up because they are even more expensive and now this.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by formerly_proven »

em-bee wrote: post #41
shevy-java wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

are all starlink connections routed through the US? don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?

Who owns and controls starlink? A local downlink dish or a US defense contractor?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by fc417fc802 »

madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem

It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them.

I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring your own docsis modem these days.

I never found any of this concerning until quite recently. With the advent of ISPs providing public wifi service out of consumer endpoints as well as wifi based radar I'm no longer comfortable having vendor controlled wireless equipment in my home.

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