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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by McDyver »

vee-kay wrote: post #16
silisili wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling, despite Google's communications, this is all an attempt to thwart the numerous ad-free YouTube apps. Another reason it should have been broken apart years ago. It's laughable that the biggest ad company in the world owns the largest video site in the world, largest browser in the world, largest search engine in the world, and largest mobile OS in the world.

NewPipe (FOSS available on F-Droid) is nice alternative to ads-infested YouTube. I disabled YouTube and YouTube Music apps on my mobile, and I use NewPipe instead. You can even download YT videos or audio from YT videos using it.

I'm using Pipepipe. I believe it's a fork from NewPipe, and has more features, namely skipping sponsor block, and intros

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by nine_k »

londons_explore wrote: post #30
silisili wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling, despite Google's communications, this is all an attempt to thwart the numerous ad-free YouTube apps. Another reason it should have been broken apart years ago. It's laughable that the biggest ad company in the world owns the largest video site in the world, largest browser in the world, largest search engine in the world, and largest mobile OS in the world.

If google push too hard, someone will make a "youtube mirror" - ie. a complete copy of youtube at a different domain. The actual data could be hosted p2p across all the users devices, and any missing data retrieved one-time-only from real youtube servers.

Do you have an estimate of how much would be needed to mirror?

BTW PeerTube is a thing.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by torginus »

teruakohatu wrote: post #23
whyagaindavid wrote: post #22

> Matthew Forsyth, Director of Product Management, Google Play Developer Experience & Chief Product Explainer, said the system isn’t a sideloading restriction, but an “Accountability Layer.” And... What about accountability for hosting distributing spyware, malware loaded apps from Google Playstore and hundreds of copy cat, misleading apps? Why can't they pose a question when the phone is setup? - Yes, I want to side…

> And... What about accountability for hosting distributing spyware, malware loaded apps from Google Playstore This is no joke. The Playstore is filled with malware that pretend to be a different app. It takes days if not weeks to remove these apps. I have twice now had to recover the devices of family members when they installed malware on Samsung phones running up to date firmware. That malware to this level is eve…

A somewhat unrelated thing, is I got bombarded with ads for a 'mental health mindfulness' service on one of the major international news websites.

I decided to Google the company after a few days. I was immediately confronted by thousands of reports by angry users, complaining about how after they tried the app, they got locked into a yearly subscription at exorbitant prices and it was impossible to cancel. The company itself is registered in some offshore tax haven.

They used to scare us, that if we went to those shady pirate websites, somebody would steal our credit cards and steal our money. Well...

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by franga2000 »

chii wrote: post #25
jacquesm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

> they think the audience is now fully captive. the audience is captive. Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don'…

I'd agree if you picked Google Docs or something like that, but Gmail? Chrome?? Come on! Edge is just Chrome with extra features, plenty of people use Bing without even noticing and many even non-techy people are fine with DuckDuckGo, good free email providers are everywhere (yahoo, hotmail, proton...).

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by Guestmodinfo »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

Because antitrust laws are strong in a few countries. While most of the 2nd or 3rd world antitrust laws are non existent. Google's strategy is to squeeze those markets. They have higher population too and hence many more advertising to sell and much more control of the "online experience" in those countries.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by bluescrn »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

> they think the audience is now fully captive.

It is, for the large sub-$800 segment of the smartphone market.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by Grazester »

vee-kay wrote: post #16
silisili wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling, despite Google's communications, this is all an attempt to thwart the numerous ad-free YouTube apps. Another reason it should have been broken apart years ago. It's laughable that the biggest ad company in the world owns the largest video site in the world, largest browser in the world, largest search engine in the world, and largest mobile OS in the world.

NewPipe (FOSS available on F-Droid) is nice alternative to ads-infested YouTube. I disabled YouTube and YouTube Music apps on my mobile, and I use NewPipe instead. You can even download YT videos or audio from YT videos using it.

So entitled. How do you expect Google to pay it's content creators that you watch if they didn't have ads?

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by arthens »

nozzlegear wrote: post #40
chii wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they think the audience is now fully captive. the audience is captive. Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don'…

> Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Not wanting and not having a choice are two different things. > Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own) My wife uses ddg and outlook, she's non-technical. I convinced her to use ddg but she's always used…

> Not wanting and not having a choice are two different things.

As a general statement, sure. But if we are talking about mobile phones this is a very privileged and unrealistic point of view.

According to chatgpt, 70-80% of mobile phone sold worldwide every year cost less than the cheaper iPhone.

Some people could probably stretch their budget and get the cheapest iPhone, but otherwise it seems safe to conclude that more than 50% of people simply have no choice.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by imiric »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

> Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago

Google's customers are advertisers. They cater to that segment very well. They only need to attract users with "free" and cheap services so that advertisers think their campaigns are reaching enough eyeballs. Whether or not that's the case, and whether or not the end user has a good experience, is hardly relevant.

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