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Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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Did he do this climb with no safety equipment for Taiwan or for Alex? I'm with the OP - watching people so willfully put their lives in danger isn't my cup of tea. I'm just glad he didn't die.

You put your life in danger every time you get behind the wheel of a car. Statistically more danger than a free solo climber.

Driving is more dangerous than a lot of things, but free solo definitely isn't one of them.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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People often confuse severe consequences (a fall = death) with high probability. Alex, like most climbers, reduce that probability to near zero through obsessive prep. The travel to/from Taiwan was statistically riskier than the climb. Selfish? Not even close.

It's not 25% per climb, but it's not near zero either, especially in aggregate. It only takes one mistake. A fairly high percentage of famous free soloists (I'd say over 25%) have died prematurely, either while free soloing, or during other extreme sports.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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This was far more thrilling and exciting to watch than I thought it would be. Which feels wrong when I say it, but I don't mean it was a good watch because of the consequences of failing. Rather because it was amazing watching a human perform at such a peak level.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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In his El Capitan climb (Free Solo), Alex was worried about cameras or presence of friends watching interfering with the climb. As oppose to that, this climb must have felt very different!

I'm wondering if this is because El Capitan is a much more technically difficult climb and thus posing much more risk than Taipei 101.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People often confuse severe consequences (a fall = death) with high probability. Alex, like most climbers, reduce that probability to near zero through obsessive prep. The travel to/from Taiwan was statistically riskier than the climb. Selfish? Not even close.

It's not 25% per climb, but it's not near zero either, especially in aggregate. It only takes one mistake. A fairly high percentage of famous free soloists (I'd say over 25%) have died prematurely, either while free soloing, or during other extreme sports.

>A fairly high percentage of famous free soloists (I'd say over 25%) have died prematurely

Yes but I'd also say Alex is a bit of a different beast. He's clearly not a thrill seeker who attempts climbs he isn't sure about. And as he has once said, there's a very real risk of dying when you get in your car, play football, are a boxer, and so on.

People have a stark reaction to the visual of a guy being 200 meters above the ground but the reality is if you're a circus acrobat and you're 10 meters up the air you're also likely dead or maimed if something goes wrong. It doesn't get more dead than dead and in many ways he's probably more calculated and less reckless than people in other sports or performances.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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You put your life in danger every time you get behind the wheel of a car. Statistically more danger than a free solo climber.

False equivalence. It's by no means required to free climb a skyscraper. While you might say it's also not required to get behind the wheel of a car, the difficulty in getting places (like a job, for example) without doing so in many locations makes it more or less required.

Well then rather than criticize a guy for doing an extreme sport, perhaps we can direct our energy inwards towards why we allowed ourselves to design such a fatal society.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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C'mon, didn't some guy do a skydive from nearly outer space? Do you criticize the country he landed in? Or red bull for sponsoring it or the many other extreme sports? Injury and death happens in rock climbing even when tethered. Not often but it does happen, that's the nature of the sport and it's the same as BMX, skateboarding, motocross, any kind of racing. It's also the same as just living - go look up Taiwan tra…

If Baumgartner - or any athlete/governing body for a sport - forewent safety measures to make it a better spectacle, then yes, I would be criticizing them!

They all forgo the safety measures of "don't smash into each other's heads" despite repeated studies showing NFL players frequently have long term brain damage from the sport.

It's an extreme sport and a thrilling thing to watch. The danger is exciting and makes his accomplishment all the more stunning. I think it's really cool that there are humans willing to push the limits of the human experience like this.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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Yeah I hope he made enough money to stop.

I'm not saying money wasn't a factor in his decision to do this for a livestream, but it clearly wouldn't be the only factor and I doubt that would make him stop. (He free solo'd before, without cameras, although not this building). For people like Alex, it's much more about the thrill, the experience, and 'proving' themselves than it is about money.

He didn't have kids when he free soloed the mountain.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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We had the privilege to watch at first from the SE corner of the building and later as he climbed by the the observation deck on the 89th floor. Hair raising stuff I'll never forget.

I, on the other hand, had the privilege not to watch this. I don't know how one can without feeling sick to the stomach.

Re: Alex Honnold completes Taipei 101 skyscraper climb without ropes or safety net

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In his El Capitan climb (Free Solo), Alex was worried about cameras or presence of friends watching interfering with the climb. As oppose to that, this climb must have felt very different!

I'm wondering if this is because El Capitan is a much more technically difficult climb and thus posing much more risk than Taipei 101.

He was able to practice El Capitan over and over, though. Was he able to in Tapei?
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