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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by icelancer »

jebblue wrote: post #85

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a pow…

I'll grant you that Ubuntu is the best (at least one of the best) flavors of desktop Linux, but server Linux? Strongly disagree. Why not just use vanilla Debian?

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by javajosh »

georgemcbay wrote: post #50
javajosh wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me, but I don't know what you mean by "cheese-moving pain". Two questions: first, is this a well-known term that I've just not run across? And second, what do you mean by it? (And if the answer to 1 is "no" then, WTH?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese

Well, even you'd have to admit that this comment flogs the goat. There is so much goat flogging going around on HN, it's no surprise. Obviously we're lacking a gilded trough.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by kisielk »

LarryMade wrote: post #98
kisielk wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.

Hmm, seems to be working fine for me, have two going right now.

Care to send me a description of your setup? If I use the nvidia binary driver with twinview then the rendering is glacially slow. It's fast with nouveau but then I have display artifacts everywhere, regions of the screen get filled with solid blue.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by nobleach »

incision wrote: post #83
modarts wrote: post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

I find this troll genuinely amusing as "just works" device support is a major reason I've been running Ubuntu heavily since 2005. In fact, the last time I ran into any issue wasn't on a desktop. It was Ubuntu server on a newly launched Cisco UCS blade nearly 2+ years ago. At the time, I'm not sure what if anything could recognize a VIC out of the box (Ubuntu does as of 11.04).

I've been an Ubuntu user since Warty and donated way back in the day. I've been nearly exclusive with their desktop every release since. Most of my servers have run an LTS release. And I agree, most of the time it "just works". But I agree, that there are plenty of "windows only" type things that flat out won't work. On the laptop on which I type: fingerprint scanner(don't really care) Hybrid video(kinda care, but at least the crappy intel GPU works) WiFi(at least there's a proprietary driver available)

On my Ubuntu desktop, my video capture dongle is barely supported. It tries to upload the proprietary firmware every 60 seconds. (I created a blacklist in my module config to stop it)

NONE of these are the fault of Ubuntu or the Linux community. But I do understand the sentiment of Joe "just found out about Ubuntu from a geeky friend" Smith thinking it sucks cause he can't use his slick new AMD GPU without a bit (or a lot) of pain. To be fair, that pain exists on Windows too.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by anuaitt »

slurgfest wrote: post #107
anuaitt wrote: post #41

this is totally childish, i have been using ubuntu for last 6 years and never have had complains with their working. they used to do splendid job by delivering the cds at door steps in shipit program. but this step of defaming competitors is never gonna help, it is going to become a part of criticism.

I don't know if you noticed, but Ubuntu hasn't been picking up new users at a dramatic rate. And it's easily in the top 3 Linux distros. What do they actually have to lose? If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.

I completely agree with you. I am not going to stop using ubuntu, but what i am saying is this is not an act of maturity. we love Linux for the Base context of being free and open source which is not going to change. The Reason for not getting picked up i assume is the constant UI changes Ubuntu is doing. well i did't actually like the UNITY Desktop. What if they could have just maintained a sleek UI and added more and more nice features. I hope that would have helped.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by YZF »

rustynails77 wrote: post #92
YZF wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

12.04 on Dell E6530. Display drivers don't work properly (you need to turn Optimus off in the BIOS). Logitech wireless mouse didn't work properly. Multimon support is lacking. 64 bit version is unworkable, 32 bit requires a lot of tweaking. I spent a whole day installing 64 bit, installing 32 bit, different drivers, trying Bumblebee (doesn't work). At some point an update came that fixed the mouse issues (this was 3…

A friend of mine had an external WD drive that I could not get to work Under Windows 7. It worked under Linux, but not windows. I finally found out that there was an incorrect drive letter allocation (stuffed if I know why). We frigged around trying to allocate a drive letter through admin settings. We finally got it to work, but it wouldn't recognise the file system. We reformatted it and it worked fine. Then there…

This is all obviously anecdotal but one would assume Windows would be #1 priority for hardware vendors to test against as it's the most popular platform. Microsoft also has WHQL which helps to some degree in ensuring quality. I can't imagine an x86 laptop vendor not testing their hardware with Windows but I can definitely imagine them not testing Ubuntu.

In terms of recovering from faults Windows is much easier for me which isn't surprising since I've been using Windows for a long time. I find things like the Device Manager to be more user friendly than looking at kernel logs.

(I also have an external WD drive, no problems)

EDIT: By the way power management in Ubuntu on this laptop is all broken as well. It doesn't detect closing the lid, I have to go through some voodoo sequence to get it to sleep.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by five18pm »

incision wrote: post #83
modarts wrote: post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

I find this troll genuinely amusing as "just works" device support is a major reason I've been running Ubuntu heavily since 2005. In fact, the last time I ran into any issue wasn't on a desktop. It was Ubuntu server on a newly launched Cisco UCS blade nearly 2+ years ago. At the time, I'm not sure what if anything could recognize a VIC out of the box (Ubuntu does as of 11.04).

Its not a troll comment. I just spent 3 hours poring over how CUPS worked in 12.04 and trying to find out why my USB printer is not working. I just could not fix it and rebooted my laptop to Windows to print. And this after installing the official drivers and reading the official install guide, etc. The damned thing was that they have changed CUPS yet again in 12.04 and whatever the official docs says is not valid anymore.

This sort of thing has been there around Linux for ever. I have reached a stage where I am just too bored to do the endless investigation and fixing any more. I will just use Windows, which contrary to all the complaints that people keep making, actually "just works"

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by mrinterweb »

This is the first release of Ubuntu that I am not excited to upgrade to. The whole Amazon web search is bothersome to me. I can understand Canonical wanting to make money, but getting in bed with Amazon is kind of weird. Also I did not see any features in 12.10 that I was excited about. Disappointing release.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by vacri »

wyclif wrote: post #132
vacri wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now on Debian, every desktop sucks out-of-the-box - I've been bouncing around them trying to find something that will satisfy my preference for a traditional desktop. As Debian doesn't do much in the way of UI customisation, so this pretty much means every core desktop sucks at the moment without a downstream maintainer nailing it down properly. XFCE is a little coarse though it would be usable... if only it di…

If what you want is a "traditional desktop" UI and you're running Debian, ISTM you'd have plenty of options. You can install a complete environment (GNOME 2, XFCE) or one of the many tiling wm's (awesome, dwm, xmonad, &c).

As far as I am aware, gnome 2 was losing maintainer focus. Certainly right now, it's hard to clearly find gnome 2/debian sid results on google - something that is important when things go wrong. XFCE is somewhat coarse but usable... if only it wasn't the only desktop that prevented my laptop from resuming from sleep. The tiling WMs I haven't installed, but when looking at their webpages don't seem to be traditional desktops - floating windows, ability to put thing on the desktop itself. The latter item is important to my workflow, and I can't understand the religious zeal with which people think that the desktop must be clear these days...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by ktf »

slurgfest wrote: post #106
CoryG89 wrote: post #88

Great, now I just have to rip Unity out and shove Gnome 3 in there with a shoehorn.

'apt-get install gnome shell' isn't difficult to type. Then choose the gnome session - Unity isn't affecting you at this point.

I thought that too, until I tried binding Super+T to launch a terminal in Gnome Shell. Turns out Unity eats all Super keypresses even when it's not running.

One workaround is to install CCSM, rebind the dash key to some key combo you'll never actually need, then set your key bindings normally.

...or install Xubuntu.

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