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Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by wildylion »

mschuster91 wrote: post #95

What I did in all my rentals (in Germany) was to outright run new cable. All you need is a bunch of drills - if you want to pull Ethernet, a 10mm drill will be sufficient, if you want pre-fab LC fiber you'll need a 15mm drill (better 17mm), and if you want to pull pipe (which I prefer) a 27mm drill for a DN20 pipe. And when you move out, take out the pipe, put some plaster over, smooth and paint, and no one can ever…

I'm so afraid that my landlord (a big company) will use ANY excuse to rob me of my deposit when I move out... lol, even though I'm a member of Mieterverein.

The same landlord whose workers outright forgot to install the water heater in the kitchen the day I got the flat, and __painted shut__ the bathroom window. LMAO.

Though I can only second this -- use transparent fiber and be creative in where you route it -- and nobody will be able to tell you did something 'naughty' in your rental.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by fpoling »

I lived in a building in Norway that had phone lines from like 1924. As it was declared as historic it was very difficult to dig newer cables. So ISP tried to use the old cables. At best one can get 10 MBit/s with a lot of packet loss. Eventually everyone switched to mobile internet. With 5g and stationary antenna it was possible to get 300 MBit/s with no packet loss and sub 10ms ping to local servers.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by [deleted] »

bflesch wrote: post #13
hdgvhicv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Brexit bonus It’s no coincidence those that championed Brexit are those that wanted a weaker Europe and weaker U.K. That’s why the majority of tax payers were against it, the majority of educated people voted against it, the majority of working people voted against it, the majority of people alive today who voted voted against it Yet we still got it.

It's never to late to rejoin, we've all learned a lot about foreign propaganda in the last decade.

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Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by jasonkester »

VLM wrote: post #183
jasonkester wrote: post #149

Ah, mate. I sure wish you'd figured this out and told me about it 10 years ago. I fought with this exact same issue for years. I live in an old stone farmhouse with my office in a stone garage across a nice poured concrete driveway. There's wires from A to B under all that, but nobody except an unknown electrician from the 80s could tell you even where they come out at either end. Powerline kinda worked, with crap do…

"across a nice poured concrete driveway" I've worked with DB people and running lines under driveways for telco and cableco is BIG business and they will not find your request to bury fiber or cat5 to be even remotely unusual. The bad news about directional boring is they usually want "like a kilobuck" just to show up. Its a lot of heavy equipment and a lot of dudes to operate it all. The good news is if they're alre…

Probably should have mentioned that it's not a driveway in the US sense, where it's a strip of pavement with dirt on either side. More like a courtyard that butts up against the main house and guesthouse. There's no digging under it from the side.

Incidentally, what does "DB" mean in the above?

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by jasonkester »

car wrote: post #196
jasonkester wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of the people technical enough to set this up are also going to be technical enough to pull new cables. "Technical" isn't the issue. 200 year old stone houses are the issue. If you can't punch through it with wifi (and thus have this issue), I expect you're not going to be able to poke a cable through either. For an example, to get from my house router to my office, you'd need to punch through a 3 foot cobble &…

Maybe cut a slit across your concrete driveway with a diamond concrete saw and drop fiber in, seal with some polymer afterwards?

Yeah, it'd have to be something like that, and nomatter how well you did it, it'd be noticeable.

Fortunately, (as I mentioned in another thread,) I got a powerful enough point-to-point wifi connection to blast through the stone walls and get decent results.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by aucisson_masque »

You disconnect the phone cable from the socket, attach a 50m Ethernet cable to it and pull the phone cable from the other side of your house.

I just got the fiber installed, took less than 10 minutes, excluding the replacement of phone port to Ethernet port.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by nasnasnasnasnas »

raddan wrote: post #175
wffurr wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas my 2009 condo conversion was wired with coax to every room instead. I've been using the coax drops to pull Ethernet cables.

Ahh! Don’t replace your coax with Cat5e/6! Coaxial cable has excellent noise rejection—better than Cat5e. Instead, get a MoCA adapter like this one [1]. You can get 2.5Gbps over coax! [1] https://a.co/d/e2FYGWj

Yeah nah

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by hdgvhicv »

blibble wrote: post #151
ulfw wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must have forgotten Thatcher

she was certainly a fan, but the spark for the match for almost all of the privatisations was EU/EEC directives if the UK had never joined the EEC those industries would likely still be under government ownership (for better or worse, water certainly was a disaster, but telecoms and airlines seem to have gone reasonably well) and rail was done post Thatcher, with her on record as saying it is "a step too far"

As a regular user I see rail privatisation as successful.

In fact the only failure is water, as it was just privitised regional monopolies with no competition.

Electicty/gas? Tell me you’d be happy with British Gas when you aren’t allowed to use Octopus

Phone? Of course that’s a success, both mobile and also wires.

Airline? Freight?

Busses are too fragmented in regional areas, but the services tend to be better than they were under council run.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by hdgvhicv »

fnimick wrote: post #122
bloomingeek wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite on this one. I've been saying to anyone who will listen here in the states: my generation, the Boomers, needs to die out and/or get the hell out of the way. We're trashing almost everything because of a cult of hero worship.

While I used to agree with you, based on the most recent polling, Gen X and Gen Z are both farther right than Boomers are these days. So we're fucked long term too.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53923-how-would-brita...

Look at age breakdown

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by db48x »

pumplekin wrote: post #64
cjs_ac wrote: post #57

> One peculiar thing from the UK: Internet providers don’t truly offer gigabit internet. They have a range of deals like 30 Mbps – 75 Mbps – 150 Mbps – 300 Mbps – 500 Mbps – 900 Mbps, each one costing a few more pounds per month than the last. This makes the UK simultaneously one of the cheapest and one of the most expensive countries to get Internet. Andrews and Arnold[0] offer gigabit, but I'm not surprised the aut…

This is due to advertising standards. They are required to advertise "average speed", although how this is actually calculated is nebulous. A&A not advertising can just say what the link speeds actually are on the product pages. Other ISP's could do this too, but it would cause confusion having one figure on the advert and one figure on the product pages, and they might get in trouble if they link to the product page…

It’s still nonsense. Everyone doing FTTH is using passive optical networking (PON, or NGPON or XGPON or XGSPON or …) which actually has a line rate of 10Gbps. It then uses TDMA to give each subscriber enough time slots to send and receive at a particular speed. My ISP, Ziply Fiber, just gives every subscriber enough time slots to send at the advertised speed _after_ protocol overhead, even at gigabit and higher speeds. If you buy the 500 Mbps service it really will speed test at 500 Mbps. If you buy gigabit it really will test at 1000Mbps provided you have faster than gigabit Ethernet between you and the router. The router that they rent connects to the ONT at 10Gbps, so speed tests done on the router itself always test at the speed you’re subscribed to.

At 10Gbps and above they start using direct–attached fiber (DIA) instead, so the speed you subscribe to is the line rate and it will test lower due to protocol overhead. But if you can max out a 50Gbps link then I think the overhead will not bother you much.

They also allow residential customers to run BGP and use their own addresses. They’re a great ISP.

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