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Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by snowchaser »

As a PSA, the Google Workspace version of gmail doesn’t train on your data, if you like other gmail/workspace features.

(Workspace TOS is now part of the Cloud TOS https://workspace.google.com/terms/premier_terms/)

Section 12.11 of the Workspace specific terms confirms that Google will not train on customer data(which Gmail emails in workspace are). Incidentally, this is where Generative prompts and responses submitted or created via GA versions of Gemini in workspace are identified as “Customer Data”, which is not used for training. https://workspace.google.com/terms/service-terms/

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by nosioptar »

palata wrote: post #78

> My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, [...] Then I guess it's off to Switzerland ( https://proton.me/about ); I am all for moving away from Gmail, but I think this is completely the wrong way to do it. Why go through the hassle of changing your @gmail for @microsoft (or whatever it is?), already thinking about moving to @proton.me in the future? Get your own domain, and then you won't depend on the service pro…

First time I set up a domain with purelymail only took me about 15 minutes. It was nothing more than copy/pasting some values into DNS records and selecting the record type purelymail said to use for said values.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by autoexec »

drcongo wrote: post #71
autoexec wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I laughed when I saw he'd moved to MS, but I'd love to get some more alternatives. My ISP has already said they're going to stop providing email service at some point in the near future and I'll have to migrate at some point. In the past I'd picked up a cheap domain and self-hosted for a bit, but I'd love to not have to. Any good email providers out there that actually respect their customers and support IMAP?

I moved my personal email from Google a few years ago to https://inbox.eu which was by far the cheapest option for mailboxes for the whole family on custom domains etc. They've been very solid, I have no regrets. Their spam filtering has been a little hit and miss but other than that, solid. Work email is moving from Google to https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/ksuite-pro - if you're not bothered about custom domai…

It looks like inbox.eu does sell your data and/or use it to push personalized ads. If I'm paying for something I don't want ads and I'd really prefer that whoever I pay weren't reading my personal mail for things to use against me.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by sylens »

I thought this post was building towards talking about switching to self hosted email or Fastmail or Proton, but they went to Microsoft of all places? All of this garbage is coming to Outlook.com sooner or later

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by jsnell »

> BUT... now... what they are saying is that... we are going to use your email to train our LLMs.

I feel I'm missing some part of the story. Where are they saying that?

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by shishcat »

redfloatplane wrote: post #60

Since we're all posting about our favourite email provider, Purelymail has been one of my best discoveries of the last year or so. Ten dollars a year (though it's expected that price will go up) for as many mailboxes as you like. There's a webmail too in case you don't want your own IMAP client. I migrated every email I had (except an unmigrateable @gmail.com) to Purelymail over Christmas and I couldn't be happier.

The issue tracker seems kinda dead... for the rest, it's a good provider

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by lzy »

I’ve been running CheapestEmailHosting.com - email hosting for custom domains without enterprise pricing.

SMTP/IMAP/POP3, webmail (Roundcube), CalDAV/CardDAV, unlimited mailboxes, catch-all. Starting at $5/year for 2GB.

No marketing spend, and I terminate spammers immediately. If you run a legitimate domain, you subsidize yourself.

This isn’t for bulk senders or SLAs. It’s for developers and side-project founders who can configure their own clients and don’t want to pay $60-120/year.

https://www.cheapestemailhosting.com

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by technothrasher »

nine_k wrote: post #28
rationalist wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am no expert, but from what I've read... Easy: I don't think so. Advisable: Hell no. I believe you have to constantly maintain it, and good luck with deliverability. Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

Not an expert, but I suppose that you can safely receive email using a self-hosted SMTP server. Sending it without being blacklisted / greylisted is trickier. If you don't want to muck with obtaining an IPv4 with a good karma, there are options to send via large providers, such as GMail (IIRC free), or AWS SES, or things like Sendgrid or Brevo. The latter may be effectively free if you send only a handful of emails p…

I found when I tried out using SES, Sendgrid, Brevo, etc to send emails for my self-hosted exim instance, that my deliverability actually went down compared to sending the mail directly. I believe it was because for the free/low cost tiers they dump you onto IP addresses where they're also playing wack-a-mole with spammers. SMTP2GO was the only one I found that had decent deliverability at a free/low cost for low volumes. Still, I only use it for my personal email. For my business, I host our mail on Fastmail.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by alance »

r0b05 wrote: post #13

Is it easy and advisable to host your own email server on vps?

I used to self-host email, it was mostly all initial setup and then it just worked for years. Eventually I got a bit wary about the security side of an internet-accessible box and decided to move the whole thing over to AWS SES. Wrote it up here:

https://alexlance.blog/email.html

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by pan69 »

nicholasjarnold wrote: post #36
puttycat wrote: post #22

I have more than 20 years of email in my gmail account. How do I even start migrating? And even if I migrate, I will need to keep my address alive and forwarding to my new address at least for a few years. So no privacy gains there either. Does anyone have concrete advice as to how to make the transition?

Fastmail provides an easy way to migrate [0]. I setup a label in my Fastmail account that will tag all mail coming in from Gmail. Then you go through that list at your leisure and make the requisite contact with the people or services emailing at the old address. It's really not difficult at all. I've been on Fastmail for ~4 years now, and haven't once considered looking back or regretted it. Good luck. [0] https://w…

Another happy Fastmail user here. Other than for email, great perks of Fastmail are that it lets me mount my own domain(s) for email and I can even host simple static websites for those domains.
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