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Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

oblio wrote: post #97
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #41

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I think the suspicion is based on this app being offered in a region whose government is hostile to privacy and this implementation being connected with the strong nativist bent in Europe. The "spec" is not relevant in any way because we have no idea what else is going on. Why was it relevant that these operators must specifically be in the EU? Everyone is just complying with the global spec...but the app provider mu…

> region whose government is hostile to privacy Which government?

EU. I don't think it is any better at the national level however.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by jstummbillig »

Nextgrid wrote: post #112
jstummbillig wrote: post #54

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> This is fucking malicious compliance. Meta knows what they're doing. And so do the courts. Give them some time to cook. How goes the popular American saying: We can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way.

> Give them some time to cook How long? I'm still waiting for the GDPR to actually be enforced meaningfully.

How is it not enforced "meaningfully"? (I don't know what is meaningful to you)

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by benoau »

bni wrote: post #133

Does this mandate allow me to use a. 3rd party Teams, Google Chat and Slack client? I suspect the answer is no, but why?

They are not designated gatekeepers. It is unfortunate because interoperability should be its own objective for its own sake.

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Post by palata »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #75
altern8 wrote: post #49

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I thought the same thing. I also don't think there's such a thing as "made in Europe", as if it was "made in USA". Is it made in Germany, Italy, Albania..?

Surely it's very similar, companies can't - AFAIK - be registered in USA, they're registered in a state. USA's States have different tax and legislative climates, just like EU states do.

It's not. Part of Russia is in Europe. The geographical limit between Europe and Asia is not well defined.

I think it would be similar to saying "First American chat app that...", which would be ambiguous?

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by palata »

retired wrote: post #113
altern8 wrote: post #49

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I thought the same thing. I also don't think there's such a thing as "made in Europe", as if it was "made in USA". Is it made in Germany, Italy, Albania..?

Could even be Turkey west of the Bosphorus. They can fabricate the product in Bursa and do final assembly in West-Istanbul.

Or Russia...

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by usr1106 »

bni wrote: post #133

Does this mandate allow me to use a. 3rd party Teams, Google Chat and Slack client? I suspect the answer is no, but why?

There are criteria for how dominant a platform is to be considered gatekeeper. Teams, Google and Slack have much smaller market share for private messaging, so I guess they are not affected. Don't remember the criteria by heart.

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Post by blell »

poisonborz wrote: post #128
blell wrote: post #117

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Any company can ask for interoperatibility with whatsapp. None of them are, because it's obviously against their interests. The DMA will change nothing in this regard because the "many apps" approach is the most beneficial to users.

> obviously against their interests Would love to know how it is "obviously" against my interest to make a chat app and have 3.3 billion users adressable instantly. Bad for internet health to be still tied to Meta, sure, but the damage was done and this is a way to reverse it.

Why would you spend a lot of money to make a better app for whatsapp and let them keep all the revenue?

You won't get enough people to pay you money to use your app to make it profitable. If you think you will, then you have a business already; go build it!

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Post by palata »

petre wrote: post #89
otterley wrote: post #23

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We had XMPP, and even Google Chat used that in the early days. It's not like users haven't had choice over the decades to choose software that runs on open standards. It's that the features and UX provided by closed software has been more compelling to them. Open standards and interoperability generally aren't features most people value when it comes to chat. They care mostly about what their friends and family are u…

Google Chat used XMPP to build an user base and then cut it off from the Jabber network. That's when I stopped using it. Or was it when it got integrated into Gmail? Then they rebranded it and binned each iteration several times.

Similar to Slack and IRC? I guess that's just part of the enshittification process.
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