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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Gud »

lynndotpy wrote: post #31
password54321 wrote: post #25

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Just in case anyone thinks you are exaggerating: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298

For those who can't access the link, this is the United States DHS with the quote > The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world. featuring an illustration of an oldsmobile at a tropical sunny beach with the text "America After 100 Million Deportations". The implication is that a white ethnostate will be paradise. Notably, 100M is not the number of non-citizens in the United States, it's roughly the nu…

"This image was stolen and is actually a piece of art by the Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai.

47 million of the United States’ 340 million population is foreign-born, the majority of those being legal immigrants. To do 100 million deportations they’d have to deport citizens. "

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by eudamoniac »

cmurf wrote: post #255
eudamoniac wrote: post #54

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No. https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vlu7hb22t

This doesn't contradict what I said, because "moments before" is like 2 seconds. It seems plausible to me that the agent reacted to a gun being pulled out of pants and panic shot within 2 seconds. His gun was not already drawn, so that's a plausible lag time. If we assume that ICE did not execute a guy for literally no reason whatsoever, that seems to me the most likely explanation for why he drew and fired.

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Post by ninkendo »

throwworhtthrow wrote: post #232
ninkendo wrote: post #199

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> Nuance is completely thrown away. People immediately dial up the rhetoric to infinity. The lack of self-reflection in your post might be the most disturbing thing I've read in this thread.

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

foogazi wrote: post #263
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. There’s a lot to be worried here, but I’m surprised that’s what you are more worried about There is no doubt in my mind that the the current DOJ won’t lift a finger against any of the agents involved

Hmm... well maybe I need to explain my fear better.

Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior.

Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month.

The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-guns rise up in these times in response to this. I expect more guns and more deadly force, and no one is doing anything to put a stop to it.

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The left is losing faith in strictly peaceful protest. At least some of them (ie: the Black Panthers forming patrol militia).

The right refuses to prosecute murders. This is the worse problem.

Where does this lead? Is it too late to stop? Its easily stopped if Pam Bondi simply did an investigation into the use of deadly force. That's the saddest part of all of this.

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Post by silexia »

davidguetta wrote: post #196
mraniki wrote: post #106

Alternative angle from the lady in pink NSFW https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/altern... Edit mirror https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0

Who shoot exactly ? i don't understand anything (not sarcasm, i'm in the airport and can't make sense of the vid)

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Post by taylodl »

RickJWagner wrote: post #278
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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You have the right to carry. Period end. Full stop. Exercising your constitutional right is not "looking for trouble."

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Post by eudamoniac »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #217
maxerickson wrote: post #210

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So know your customer regulations at the gas station then?

Sure, whatever it takes. You somehow think it’s incredulous when Pornhub was deplatformed from credit card rails easily, and is still age gated in 23 states through statute. This is far worse, and laws can be made to do whatever the target outcome is. I get it, your mental model differs, and that’s fine. The tools exist and can be used. They could start by blacklisting the BIN of any federal government payment card,…

Even in the absolute best case scenario where this just works, the bare minimum retaliation is withholding of federal funds, and I guarantee you any state or state populace in that scenario will blink first.

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Post by slg »

dang wrote: post #257
slg wrote: post #181

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With the direction we're headed, there's a non-zero chance that some day soon I'll click on over to https://news.ycombinator.com/active and see "[flagged][dead] US Erupts in Civil War" and I'll click on the comments to see a copied and pasted comment from dang with a link to a dozen other comments explaining why this political story doesn't belong on HN. "Politics" doesn't care about your apolitical spaces. It's comi…

People have been making a version of this argument for as long as I've been doing this job. There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different, how-can-you-not urgency. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there's a counterargument. The counterargument is that political flames have a way of consuming everything they touch and that if we had listened to this argument in the past, HN would have ceased to exist years ago.…

You seem to be a little sidetracked from my original point so let me reiterate it, "It's coming for everything and you'll have to draw the line somewhere."

I understand you can dismiss that with "There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different", but what happens when it's truly different? Have you set a line for yourself of when it will be different or are you the frog telling everyone else that the water's not that hot? Or are you claiming there is no line and even if there is an all out civil war you won’t want any discussion of it on this site?

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Post by rurp »

mraniki wrote: post #106

Alternative angle from the lady in pink NSFW https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/altern... Edit mirror https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0

That's the most clear murder I've ever seen, zero question about intent or anything else. After the four agents have thrown the guy to the ground and are pinning him down you can see the fed on the left pull out his gun and shoot the defenseless man in the back, and then the others jump back and join in.

This is truly unreal. Even more unreal that we know nobody will get prosecuted for this murder and we'll see another one just like it within a few days.

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