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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by jakelazaroff »

zahlman wrote: post #252
jakelazaroff wrote: post #236

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> Another source ( https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao... ) gives another claim from the same police chief: >> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." You've misread your link. The "violently resisted" quote is from a tweet by DHS, not local police: https://xcancel.com/DHSgov/status/2015115351…

Direct multiple-paragraph quote: > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) posted on X further details about what led up to the shooting. "DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here," the post reads. > O'Hara said that Pretti was…

Sure, the article is not the clearest, but the "violently resisted" quote is taken verbatim from the DHS tweet.

Just visit the link I posted, this will take you two seconds to verify.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zahlman »

tastyface wrote: post #239
zahlman wrote: post #225

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> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…

"It is not about punishment." I’m not sure how you can possibly make that assertion. They disarmed him and then they shot him.

> They disarmed him and then they shot him.

So you're saying you can show me a video where it's clear that the gun is in an LEO's physical possession, everyone involved clearly has time to update on this information, and someone makes an evidently conscious decision to shoot him anyway, despite him clearly no longer posing a physical threat?

Really?

Because otherwise, it is not about punishment.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by foogazi »

dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

> What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases.

There’s a lot to be worried here, but I’m surprised that’s what you are more worried about

There is no doubt in my mind that the the current DOJ won’t lift a finger against any of the agents involved

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Post by rolph »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #71
dismalaf wrote: post #68

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And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months. "Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you…

cops are most deceptive when they are smiling, even if it seems like an aside comment, when that big fake smile is there, they are trying to soft extract something from you [P.E.A.C.E.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEACE_method_of_interrogation

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Post by zahlman »

fzeroracer wrote: post #260
zahlman wrote: post #253

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Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.

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> Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society.

I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being unreasonable and completely in violation of commenting guidelines.

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Post by dang »

testing22321 wrote: post #174
dang wrote: post #118

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> I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public You're in luck, because there are thousands of public answers and you can search them easily: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang&type=comment&dateRange... (by dang), https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... (by tomhow). The answers we give by email are no different from the ones we give in publi…

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I feel fairly confident that the bulk of this community would not want us to operate HN based on feelings like this, regardless of how right you are, or feel you are, on the issues.

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Post by salawat »

ninkendo wrote: post #235
scarecrowbob wrote: post #207

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> it's easy to see the very real authoritarian bend of comfortable professionals who are smart but also in favor of, say, summary execution of people for protesting There’s that rhetoric I’m talking about! Thanks for giving a perfect example. For topics like these, the expectation is that everyone comes in here and expresses sufficient levels of outrage. After all, if you’re scrolling through all the posts showing th…

>The sad thing is that there is a nuanced discussion to be had here.

If you say there's nuance, then out with it. Stop self censoring and speak your mind. What nuance do you see?

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Post by computerthings »

zahlman wrote: post #253
fzeroracer wrote: post #234

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> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already been proven to be a lie thanks to the five different videos of the incident in question. They shot him after removing his legal weapon for concealed carry that he was permitted to have on his person.

Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.

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