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BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Exciting news! Can't wait for iMessage to open up too. Any idea if this (or other future messengers) will work outside of Europe too or does WhatsApp use some kind of geofencing, like Apple, to prevent non-EU citizens from enjoying the same rights too?

iMessage will not be opening up. They lobbied hard in the EU and got an exemption for not being popular enough there I guess.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

#12

> With the new WhatsApp interface mandated by the DMA, any BirdyChat user in the EEA will be able to start a chat with any WhatsApp user in the region simply by knowing their phone number. Unfortunately, as it's been implemented as opt-in on WhatsApp's side, this isn't really true. Honestly that decision alone means it's kinda dead in the water.

Could you clarify - What has been implemented as opt-in by WhatsApp to act as a hurdle?

Receiving message requests from third-party users. So you have to get the person you know to flip a toggle before they get the message.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

#13

Exciting news! Can't wait for iMessage to open up too. Any idea if this (or other future messengers) will work outside of Europe too or does WhatsApp use some kind of geofencing, like Apple, to prevent non-EU citizens from enjoying the same rights too?

iMessage will not be opening up. They lobbied hard in the EU and got an exemption for not being popular enough there I guess.

Did they lobby for an exemption, or is that just how the law is written?

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify - What has been implemented as opt-in by WhatsApp to act as a hurdle?

Receiving message requests from third-party users. So you have to get the person you know to flip a toggle before they get the message.

Is this a per-contact setting or a "universal" one?

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage will not be opening up. They lobbied hard in the EU and got an exemption for not being popular enough there I guess.

Did they lobby for an exemption, or is that just how the law is written?

The DMA is enforced by bureaucracy. The commission proposes that certain platforms are big enough to be regulated, and then there's a comment period/negotiation. The list of platforms currently being regulated is publicly available.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

#16
post #6

I must protest that this kind of announcement belies the stupidity of proprietary chat protocols. Remember when IRC was king, and basically, anyone could write an IRC client? Anyone could write a MUD client, or even a Telnet client. Those are open protocols. When Pidgin came out, it was like a breath of fresh air for me. In the early 90s I had multiple IM accounts (starting with ICQ!) and unifying them, especially un…

Matrix is getting traction though...

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Receiving message requests from third-party users. So you have to get the person you know to flip a toggle before they get the message.

Is this a per-contact setting or a "universal" one?

Each whatsapp user needs to enable the setting once to allow chats with multiple number of third party users.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Receiving message requests from third-party users. So you have to get the person you know to flip a toggle before they get the message.

Is this a per-contact setting or a "universal" one?

Account-wide. Though you can only turn it on in Europe.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they lobby for an exemption, or is that just how the law is written?

The DMA is enforced by bureaucracy. The commission proposes that certain platforms are big enough to be regulated, and then there's a comment period/negotiation. The list of platforms currently being regulated is publicly available.

There is a hard number of users you have to achieve, its one of the reasons why iOS had to allow third party app stores but playstation did not.

Re: BirdyChat becomes first European chat app that is interoperable with WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they lobby for an exemption, or is that just how the law is written?

The DMA is enforced by bureaucracy. The commission proposes that certain platforms are big enough to be regulated, and then there's a comment period/negotiation. The list of platforms currently being regulated is publicly available.

In fact, Apple is still part of the DMA list with Safari, iOS, iPad OS and App Store.
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