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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toomuchtodo »

dismalaf wrote: post #68
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months.

"Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank.

Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.")

(own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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dismalaf wrote: post #68
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by techblueberry »

dismalaf wrote: post #44
techblueberry wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In America we have the second amendment and open carry laws. Legally speaking, people openly carrying a weapon should not in itself be considered illegal.

I said "resist arrest while being armed and reaching for a gun" I didn't say "have a legal firearm". There's some key points in there.

He was disarmed before he was shot 11 times. I’m not all ACAB or anything, but literally part of the reason the constitution exists is to limit the use of force by the federal government.

As a society we should be skeptical any time the government decides to use lethal force against it’s own civilians.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by i_cannot_hack »

metadat wrote: post #70
i_cannot_hack wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "flagged" always means that users flagged it, not moderator action. And there are a lot of readers who will flag all submissions about US politics, no matter the polarity of the article. The thing is that dang has generally not unflagged any posts about topics like these in the past, so there's little reason to think the flagging is only a result of temporary inaction by the moderation team. Rather it is a consiste…

If you're really curious, something more effective and productive than hypothesizing into the void is emailing hn@ycombinator.com. Dang et. al. have always replied and been helpful and forthcoming in answering my questions and concerns.

I have sent an email linking to this discussion, but I think it would be more constructive if the helpful and forthcoming answers happened in public rather than in sent in private email threads to everyone wondering.

Calling discussing something on HN "hypothesizing into the void" is a strange choice of words, either meant to be patronizing toward me specifically or toward all HN users.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

dismalaf wrote: post #68
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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> The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something.

The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him.

Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap about due process anymore, so forget it.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by HaZeust »

dismalaf wrote: post #68
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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>"The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something."

Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen.

In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoots first reached for his own sidearm, and the ICE agent next to him retrieves what appears to be the protestor's concealed firearm at the same time, and walks away from the pile with it BEFORE shots are even fired. The "threat" - the protestor's right to bear arms - was eliminated before a shot.

There is not a single indication that ICE agents were in danger from anyone besides each other. If he was shot dead for possession, there's your answer for 2A, right there. They're shooting people like dogs in broad daylight for recording police interactions (1A) and possessing a firearm (2A), the tree of liberty needs replenishment.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by salawat »

rich_sasha wrote: post #55

IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…

>IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best, increasingly shady legality.

If ICE weren't acting like brown shirts, not much. It'd be Federal tasking happening according to due process;probably after the State informed the Feds they would not delegate local LEO to their task.

Now, seeing as ICE are acting like brown shirts; things are kinda complicated. Technically, charges can be brought against specific agents breaking the laws of the State. If those agents happen to be Minnesotan, it may be something that stays internal to the States courts. However, if they are from out-of-state, things get complicated, because then you start dealing with nasty things like Federal jurisdiction, and the fact the Federal government isn't going to be terribly motivated to do anything other than paper over things in the most convenient way they can.

Now as to whether Minnesota could just outright expel ICE; it'd be something that hasn't been tested since the Civil War. Typically, when you start doing things like that, the Feds escalate quickly. This type of thing has previously been avoided through attempts at maintaining some degree of professional conduct amongst Federal agents, and getting buy-in from the locals.

We are now firmly in interesting times.

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Post by jimt1234 »

password54321 wrote: post #25
jeffbee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.

Just in case anyone thinks you are exaggerating: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298

The federal government really has become nothing more than a bunch of social media influencers.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

HaZeust wrote: post #77
dismalaf wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>"The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something." Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen. In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoo…

Keep an eye on grey-mask. (EDIT: More like grey-hat / green mask). He grabbed a gun and ran away from the wrestling match.

You know, long before everyone else executed the guy.

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