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Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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Yeh, that’s pretty much aligns with what I remember. But I don’t get it then - why would they broadcast software for devices no one had?

Could it be that the handful of people with computer access were well connected & well regarded, & the people running the radio broadcasts wanted to cater to them especially? I'd imagine there could be some sense of personal & national pride & prestige around supporting these emerging technologies & promoting them to the public. (I'm just guessing though - I wasn't there & haven't studied the topic in depth.)

My guess would be that the broadcaster had one geek who pushed for that. Fellow geeks had software over the radio, the broadcaster had an opinion of a modern one, keeping up with the newest tech. Win-win.

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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Oh man, this reminds me of my "party trick" back in the day of saying I could tell what OS a computer was running by listening to the HDD seeking. The good old days

You can't just drop this without examples. What OSes and what were their tells?

Not that poster but I can also tell the difference in sound between filesystems, likely due to how they store their metadata and the resulting seek patterns. This is my subjective experience:

Linux ext* series - mostly silent, but even periods of high disk usage tend to be on the quieter side - probably due to lots of caching

MacOS - continuous, low-pitched "gritty" sound

Windows FAT - periods of silence punctuated by occasional intermittent groans

Windows NTFS - low rhythmic grunting, more continuous than FAT

Windows 9x - rather quiet, although periods of heavy activity can produce quite high-pitched seeking sounds

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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And yet was an absolute marvel of engineering. I often used to wonder at the accuracy and reliability they got out of those stepper motors, trying to imagine the size of the tracks. Fun thought experiment. The 128 GB SD card on my desk could store a 1-bit bitmap of 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 pixels. Imagine shrinking that down to the size of the die, and how small each (logical) cell is.

There was a hacked driver you could get that would tighten up the tolerances of the stepper motor and get from 1.5 to 1.9 MB of data onto a single floppy, but sliding the tracks closer together. There was I believe at some point a game that shipped 1.5MB disks as a copy protection mechanism. But if you had this tool you could copy them anyway.

Are you referring to 2M/2MGUI? That didn't change the track spacing (which is fixed) but used bigger sector sizes (similar to how HDDs went from 512B to 4K physical sectors):

https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/27412/how...

(Big fuckings to Wikipedia for erasing history, and kudos to archive.org for preserving it: https://web.archive.org/web/20241203124243/https://en.wikipe... )

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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It’s crazy that you had access to these technologies during communist period. Growing up in USSR I didn’t know anyone who would own a PC up until early 90s.

PC-s were only described in hobby magazines, like Bajtek or Młody Technik. Nobody had them, though, except maybe some institutions. The hobbyists used to own ZX Spectrum or Commondore 64, but even that was rare. I know one programmer in his 50s. He had an access to the ZX Spectrum in his primary school, but that was by effort of his local physics teacher.

I'm not (yet) in my 50s (though close). I used to have a C64 back in the day. I wrote write a few things in its horrible BASIC dialect. Probably the most advanced was a database (not relational, just one table, but kept separately from the source, of course on an audio cassette).

That device had ridiculous capabilities. The sound chip was good enough people wrote a speech synthesis software. Later, people wrote a graphical OS, with e.g. a text editor being an equivalent of Windows Write from the 90s.

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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Today, storage is so advanced that to the ordinary user it simply presents as some kind of non-leaky abstraction: small rectangular shape, no moving parts, stores blocks, retrieves blocks, low latency, high reliability. Back then, the storage is was much more 'real': it was slow, made noises, degraded noticeably because of stray magnetic fields etc, complicated mechanical parts. By the hearing alone, you may spot pro…

The first time I installed Slackware I didn’t have enough spare floppies to get the whole thing, I had to delete some things to do so, and then copying it in the computer lab lead to several dead disks. The installer didn’t yet have a retry feature so every time a disk turned out to be bad I had to make a new copy and start at the beginning. And sometimes that disk would be bad too. So the first time I installed slac…

That's not so dissimilar to my experience in 2025 with whatever USB drives I can scrounge up around the house!

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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M-DISC [0] will probably cover most of the scenarios. It's still expensive, though. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

I'd heard of those but never looked them up, always thought they'd be super expensive. It's about $40 for a drive that can write them and $13 each for 100GB media. That's pretty reasonable for durable storage.

Yeah, normally it's not expensive, but since market for these discs are so small here, the prices are at exorbitant levels for M-DVDs. M-BDRs were unavailable, but they are available for reasonable prices, as I just checked.

I have drives which can burn M-DVDs, but I'd need an M-BDR drive. The ones I have doesn't support M-DISCs.

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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> By the hearing alone, you may spot problems. I still have PTSD from those Zip drives. You could hear your data disappearing into nothingness as you watched powerless the drive hacking away at your cartridge.

Same with QiC80 drives. You could hear when the drive failed to read data.

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Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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Old scanners were SCSI, which made me wonder if you could use them as boot devices, if you could stuff the scanner driver and OCR software into the BIOS. Might be easier now that we have uEFI.

This one boots from the parallel port: https://github.com/climatex/BootLPT (more details here https://boginjr.com/it/sw/dev/bootlpt-86/)

Re: Booting from a vinyl record (2020)

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The video from the article, in case you don't want to accept cookies: https://youtu.be/bqz65_YfcJg It doesn't even say which type of cookies have to be accepted, I tried selecting just functional cookies, that didn't work. Funny how it's an arcane bunch of toggles in a cookie popup, on a page describing an arcane way of booting up a system.

You mean, in case you only accept google cookies?

Youtube has stopped working with privacy plugins on...

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