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Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee

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Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee

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These sort of shenanigans for even basic lanekeeping makes a very strong case for more open source solutions like comma

Very strong case for keeping your hands on the wheel, eyes on the road and drive the car yourself.

I do. My current car only has regular old cruise control, but it would be nice to have ACC and lane centering for longer drives.d

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Why would Tesla lock adaptive cruise control when others have it subscription free?

To be fair, you can say that about a lot of features/manufacturers. e.g. Why does Toyota lock remote start via app when others have it subscription free?

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I'm 41 and I've never been comfortable with even cruise control, when I drive I DRIVE. I can't shake the feeling of trusting an already complex machine to yet another layer of complexity through software. --- The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. — Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

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Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee

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Wait a minute. My recent-ish car has LKAS. It recognizes white lines (or possibly curbs too) and if both boundaries of the lane are recongized, will steer for you - for 10 seconds maybe, before it nags you provide some steering input. But in those 10 seconds it's perfectly capable of smoothly steering around bends in the road on its own. And it is a useful safety feature even if only nudging the steering wheel while…

I rented one of these in the form of a Hyundai Sonata, and their lane follow is amazing. Included in the cost of the car, does radar cruise and all the rest. Free for the life of the car.

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Politics aside, FSD is quite awesome these days. It’s pretty much at “press a button and enjoy the ride” capability, although you do have to make a show of paying attention to the road. My truck came with lifetime FSD which I’m happy with, and two family members pay for the monthly subscription because of the quality of life improvement.

Would you take a nap in the backseat while you ride? How much more improvement do you think it would need before you'd be willing to do that?

This is basically impossible to determine based on how safe the car "feels".

e.g. if it has a 99.9% chance of doing your daily commute without crashing and without you intervening, you can monitor it closely from the driver's seat for 6 months and there'll be ~90% chance that everything looks fine and you never need to intervene. But then if you start napping in the backseat on your commute, there's a 70% chance you'll crash within 5 years.

Re: Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee

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My 5 year old Subaru has been able to lane keep and auto follow to the point that a 2h drive on the freeway is me tapping the wheel every ten seconds to keep it enabled while I watch for idiots. It has been able to do this since I bought it, and I haven’t paid a dime extra. Car cost 30k.

Well... yeah, but the Tesla will do that on an empty road, then approach a slow car from behind and make a lane change decision to pass, then take your next exit and continue on through city streets, through all sorts of traffic conditions, to your destination. And it will monitor your attention with eye tracking instead of making you mess with the wheel. It's absolutely true that the rest of the industry is rolling…

> and frankly at parity with Waymo in the autonomy space.

Waymos have been driving around autonomously for years; meanwhile Tesla taxis have a human in the car ready to activate a kill switch at all times. Therefore, your statement is objectively false.

EDIT: Oops, this isn't quite correct anymore — as of two days ago, in a geofenced area of Austin, Tesla has moved the safety person to a follower car: https://xcancel.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/2014410572226322794#....

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I've tried the various flavors of self-driving in my Tesla over the past several years, and essentially it came down to a three-strikes rule for me - after the third time that car jerkily exited the self-driving mode on it own (the third time being in a slight bend on the highway at night) and spiked my heart rate to must have been an all-time high as I manually corrected in time to avoid disaster.. I said "nope, thi…

Three strikes is a lot of leniency to give to a machine that is carrying you and loved ones down the road at 70mph. The minute I saw a single instance of unexpected steering, braking, or accelerating behavior out of a car that is not damaged, I'd be returning it under warranty.

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I have a 2020 Forester and I've come to describing it as "I no-longer drive on the highway, I manage the car." Sometimes I'll get nervous and take over. But even in stop-and-go traffic, it has behaved perfectly. My only complaint is that there's an over-eager PID loop with lane keeping. If I want to pass a transport truck and want to kind of edge to the left of my lane when doing so, it will keep trying to compensate…

I have a 2023 Crosstrek, my wife has a '21 Ascent. I have the same habit you do - edging away from large trucks slightly - and both of them do the same thing you described to me. It's essentially that Subaru's lane system actually has two levels: it has lane keeping where it's just trying to keep you inside the lines, and then on top of that it also has lane centering which is pretty much what it says. Just a note fo…

> It's essentially that Subaru's lane system actually has two levels: it has lane keeping where it's just trying to keep you inside the lines, and then on top of that it also has lane centering which is pretty much what it says.

Same with Hyundai except they call them "Lane Keeping Assist" (LKA) and "Lane Following Assist" (LFA) and I have trouble remembering which one centers you and which one just keeps you from leaving the lane.

To me just based on the names I'd have expected keeping to be the one that actively positions you (it keeps you centered) and following to the one that just reacts when you are going to depart the lane (it keeps you following the lane).

Mostly now I just remember that the one that comes on automatically any time I'm going 40+ mph is the reactive one, and the one that I have to explicitly turn on is the centering one (although both come on automatically on certain highways based on data from the navigation system).

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He said the price will increase as it gets more capable. Funny though, they've lowered the price of FSD over the years...

He lies so consistently, it continues to impress me how effectively he controls TSLA investors.

Stockholm syndroom, they are a captive audience, they already bought the stock.

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Was watching OPLive last week. Every week they have a segment called "Triple Play" where they have law enforcement send them videos of crazy chases and other interesting experiences. This last week they had a guy who had completely passed out in his car and was fast asleep at the wheel. A state trooper pulled up alongside it and could see the guy slumped over his wheel. Apparently the car was essentially weaving back…

TIL about Precision Immobilization Technique (PIT). Sounds pretty euphemistic for intentionally crashing into someone at highway speeds. Maybe the average cop has better driving skills than I'm giving them credit for, but...I doubt it...

You are unfortunately completely correct
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