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Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Why would you need to create a local account? You can just not choose to store the keys in your Microsoft account during BitLocker setup: https://www.diskpart.com/screenshot/en/others/windows-11/win... Admittedly, the risks of choosing this option are not clearly laid out, but the way you are framing it also isn't accurate

All "Global Reader" accounts have "microsoft.directory/bitlockerKeys/key/read" permission. Whether you opt in, or not, if you connect your account to Microsoft, then they do have the ability fetch the bitlocker key, if the account is not local only. [0] Global Reader is builtin to everything +365. [0] https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/entra-docs/commit/2364d8da9...

They're Microsoft and it's Windows. They always have the ability to fetch the key.

The question is do they ever fetch and transmit it if you opt out?

The expected answer would be no. Has anyone shown otherwise? Because hypotheticals that they could are not useful.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Why would you need to create a local account? You can just not choose to store the keys in your Microsoft account during BitLocker setup: https://www.diskpart.com/screenshot/en/others/windows-11/win... Admittedly, the risks of choosing this option are not clearly laid out, but the way you are framing it also isn't accurate

All "Global Reader" accounts have "microsoft.directory/bitlockerKeys/key/read" permission. Whether you opt in, or not, if you connect your account to Microsoft, then they do have the ability fetch the bitlocker key, if the account is not local only. [0] Global Reader is builtin to everything +365. [0] https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/entra-docs/commit/2364d8da9...

This is for the _ActiveDirectory_. If your machine is joined into a domain, the keys will be stored in the AD.

This does not apply to standalone devices. MS doesn't have a magic way to reach into your laptop and pluck the keys.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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> The real issue is that you can't be sure that the keys aren't uploaded even if you opt out. The fully security conscious option is to not link a Microsoft account at all. I just did a Windows 11 install on a workstation (Windows mandatory for some software) and it was really easy to set up without a Microsoft account.

And how do you know the keys are never uploaded if you don't have an account?

Air gap the machine.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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My Linux drives are all encrypted, and one of the wonderful features of this is that there is no entity or force on this planet that can decrypt them. What happens if I forget my keys? Same thing that happens if my computer gets struck by a meteor. New drive, new key, restore contents from backups. It's simple, secure, set-and-forget, and absolutely nobody but me and your favored deity have any idea what's on my driv…

I wish there was more people like you and me.

Privacy is not a crime.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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FYI BitLocker is on by default in Windows 11. The defaults will also upload the BitLocker key to a Microsoft Account if available. This is why the FBI can compel Microsoft to provide the keys. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that the suspect didn't even know they had an encrypted laptop. Journalists love the "Microsoft gave " framing because it makes Microsoft sound like they're handing these out because they lik…

> If your company has data that the police want and they can get a warrant, you have no choice but to give it to them. They can fight the warrant, if you don't at least object to it then "giving the keys away" is not an incorrect characterization.

This is my thought also. So they're only holding the keys to prevent anyone from whining about lost data, they don't actually want to be responsible.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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AI enshittification is irrelevant here. Why is someone pointing out that sensible secure defaults are a good thing suddenly defending the entire company?

Uploading your encryption keys up to someone else's machine is not a sensible default

It generally is, because in the vast majority of cases users will not keep a local copy and will lose their data.

Most (though not all) users are looking for encryption to protect their data from a thief who steals their laptop and who could extract their passwords, banking info, etc. Not from the government using a warrant in a criminal investigation.

If you're one of the subset of people worried about the government, you're generally not using default options.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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> Any power users who prefer their own key management should follow the steps to enable Bitlocker without uploading keys to a connected Microsoft account. Once the feature exists, it's much easier to use it by accident. A finger slip, a bug in a Windows update, or even a cosmic ray flipping the "do not upload" bit in memory, could all lead to the key being accidentally uploaded. And it's a silent failure: the securit…

There's a lot of sibling comments to mine here that are reading this literally, but instead, I would suggest the following reading: "I never selected that option!" "Huh, must have been a cosmic ray that uploaded your keys ;) Modern OS updates never obliterate user-chosen configurations"

They just entirely ignore them instead.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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> The real issue is that you can't be sure that the keys aren't uploaded even if you opt out. The fully security conscious option is to not link a Microsoft account at all. I just did a Windows 11 install on a workstation (Windows mandatory for some software) and it was really easy to set up without a Microsoft account.

Last time I needed to install Windows 11, avoiding making a Microsoft account required (1) opening a command line to run `oobe/bypassnro`, and (2) skipping past the wifi config screen. While these are quick steps, neither of those are at all "easy", since they require a user to first know that it is an option in the first place. And newer builds of Windows 11 are removing these methods, to force use of a Microsoft ac…

By selecting Domain Join, which is available on Professional edition and above.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Power users should stop bothering with Windows nonsense and install Linux instead so that they can actually have control over their system. It's 2026. The abuses of corporations are well documented. Anyone who still chooses Windows of their own volition is quite literally asking for it and they deserve everything that happens to them.

I’ll bite. What Linux distro currently has the nicest desktop experience? I work on a MacBook but my desktop is a windows PC that I use for gaming and personal projects. I hear Proton has made the former pretty good now, and the latter is mostly in WSL for me anyway. Maybe a good time to try. What do you suggest? I’ll try it in a VM or live usb.

If you're a developer, try NixOS. The code based configuration can be daunting but LLMs are very good at writing it.
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