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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
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Yes I do use Firefox and that's a rather silly assertion if you consider the technical implementation. In the case of Firefox, a default search page for Google is included in the Firefox Chrome as is a default search engine. The default page doesn't call home at all until you enter a search i.e. until you use it. The rest of the browser is functional without using this feature, so you can type "duckduckgo.com" withou…
Firefox: Nothing transmitted to Google until you perform a search. Unity: Nothing transmitted to Amazon until you perform a search Sure, I'm not agreeing with the default out of the box functionality, but other than the fact that user expectation is that a local search does not transmit information to remote servers (same issue as chrome's omnibox for typing URLs) it is exactly the same. But maybe Canonical should ma…
Utter crap. Have you actually tested this? i have!
If I enter analyze.com in the address bar and stop at anal, nothing happens. Nothing is sent.
If i enter analyse in the unity launcher and stop at anal, i get a nasty surprise and permanently get my ip address tagged with anal.
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I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…
you can just install gnome-do on Xubuntu and you'll have the same search based workflow in the interface you're used to and the Ubuntu base below. I TRIED to like Ubuntu's Unity, but the fact that I can't either: (a) right click things like panels and choose 'configure' or 'properties' and adjust everything to my liking [the Windows way, that I still prefer] or (b) have a goddamn' config/settings center where I can a…
With Xubuntu, you don't need gnome-do. Its appfinder is (almost) as good. Just hit Win+R to get to it.
Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
#104fglrx xserver module segfaults (at least for me).
Without hardware OpenGL it is just a crap.
unity-2d-shell eats tons of memory, more than chrome. No wonder when
ldd `which unity-2d-shell` |wc -l
93
but without running X11 it is nice and fast.) gcc-4.7, linux-3.5.0, python3.2, etc.
Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
#105I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…
I am what would be called a "Power User", I have used Linux for years, from Slackware to Arch Linux, and DE/WM from KDE to DWM.
I tried GNOME Shell twice, once with Fedora 15 and 3.5 in Arch Linux: I couldn't use it for more than a couple of hours, it was painful.
I just finished installing Ubuntu 12.10, and I must say that I like Unity, I like the global menu: I like the direction Canonical is taking.
For me, the problems with Ubuntu are the Repos/Apt which I dislike and are somewhat broken: And mainly the Community, which is not as helpful as the Gentoo community for example.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried Gnome Shell again 2 days ago with the 3.6 release. You can't configure it without an absurd number of extensions, the default interface makes me want to punch kittens, and it wiped my groups policy and network profiles so I am still trying to repair my startup procedure, and right now I need to manually start network-manager each time. I won't blame that necessarily on Gnome Shell though. I will say I don't c…
This isn't meant to be a retort - I agree that there is a lot of mess in deb-ubu/gnome 3. But if you have the time, try fedora on bare hardware to get an idea of how gnome is supposed to work. You probably won't want to stick with it for a variety of legitimate reasons, but the core ui feel is very, very nice - and that's what I wish I could get under ubuntu.
I ran Verne for a bit in a vm and live cd, but the Ubuntu Software Center has a convenience factor for Humble Bundles and since it is being targeted by a lot of Linux adoption such as Steam I'm kind of platform locked to it now.
I still run Arch as my side distro for having a machine I'm prouder of. Upstart can suck it.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't meant to be a retort - I agree that there is a lot of mess in deb-ubu/gnome 3. But if you have the time, try fedora on bare hardware to get an idea of how gnome is supposed to work. You probably won't want to stick with it for a variety of legitimate reasons, but the core ui feel is very, very nice - and that's what I wish I could get under ubuntu.
I've used Gnome Shell on the last two releases of Fedora. I've grown to be comfortable with it but the idea of having to rely on multiple(9 in my case) extensions to get to that state is too much. Couple that with having to worry if extensions will be updated to work with each new release of Gnome. I had been interested in Cinnamon but was under the impression it was the distinguishing feature of Linux Mint. Cinnamon…
I still have a bad feeling about how the Mint team have been actively forking every GTK3 project Gnome has. Especially when they forked Nautilus into Nemo, I really feel like they should have gone with Thunar or Marlin. Maybe they should have also opted to try unifying under XFCE and fixing gtk3 to work with it instead of just forking Gnome Shell.
I dunno, I just feel like the direction of "fork everything even when alternatives with our same mindset exist" seem like a waste of effort.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
be aware that this isn't a great user experience - a number of ubuntu specific features will work poorly or not at all while you're logged in under gnome shell, and several gnome 3 desktop integration features also won't be working. It's mostly fixable, but very much a trial and error experience.
Can installing Gnome Desktop break something in Unity?
Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've used Gnome Shell on the last two releases of Fedora. I've grown to be comfortable with it but the idea of having to rely on multiple(9 in my case) extensions to get to that state is too much. Couple that with having to worry if extensions will be updated to work with each new release of Gnome. I had been interested in Cinnamon but was under the impression it was the distinguishing feature of Linux Mint. Cinnamon…
I still have a bad feeling about how the Mint team have been actively forking every GTK3 project Gnome has. Especially when they forked Nautilus into Nemo, I really feel like they should have gone with Thunar or Marlin. Maybe they should have also opted to try unifying under XFCE and fixing gtk3 to work with it instead of just forking Gnome Shell. I dunno, I just feel like the direction of "fork everything even when…
The alternativees aren't GNOME, and many liked GNOME until very recently. (Well, it's been a year or 1.5 now, I guess, from the end-user perspective. Longer in development, I guess.)
It seems like Mint is trying to execute a hostile takeover of GNOME. Of course, GNOME is free software and forkable, and branches aren't necessarily subservient to the lines they branch from, so "takeover" means "establish a reputation as the highest-quality fork"
If the majority of the community begins to respect and support Mint as a better GNOME than the current stewards of GNOME, and Mint "rescues" the good majority of the GNOME software, we can jettison the old GNOME management, welcome the migration of contributors from old GNOME, and carry on.
The switchover is a huge mess of confusion, though.
Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released
#110I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…
I am what would be called a "Power User", I have used Linux for years, from Slackware to Arch Linux, and DE/WM from KDE to DWM. I tried GNOME Shell twice, once with Fedora 15 and 3.5 in Arch Linux: I couldn't use it for more than a couple of hours, it was painful. I just finished installing Ubuntu 12.10, and I must say that I like Unity, I like the global menu: I like the direction Canonical is taking. For me, the pr…
The global menu, meaning the Mac-style menu bar at top?
That works without Unity.