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Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by integralid »

endofreach wrote: post #4

what‘s in it for spotify? i can‘t think of a single person who‘d stop paying for streaming services (music) in favour of going back to illegally download or (or even legally purchase) songs & managing their own library. m a y b e some devs would. but those thinking about it, wouldn‘t be stopped like that. i am thinking about it, yet i just renewed my subscription because i lack time & motivation to crawl down yet ano…

> i can‘t think of a single person who‘d stop paying for streaming services (music) in favour of going back to illegally download or (or even legally purchase) songs

I'd love to self host my music, but curating my collection is a lot of work. I made several attempts, but looking for music I like was too much work for me. If getting "illegal" music becomes easier I'll definitely eventually do this.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by hirako2000 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #125
bbor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legality is not morality. These laws in particular happen to not only be harmful, but also in direct opposition to the ostensible spirit of this board

This board is a discussion place for founders of YC companies that happens to also be open to the public.

And all participants shape that spirit, otherwise that would be a cult.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by kmfrk »

I just tried to download a podcast series from Spotify today, and even this turned out to be a massive pain: no dice on gallery-dl, yt-dlp, and the browser doesn't have a dedicated download option, even when logged in.

I was redirected to the Windows app to download an episode, and then I got denied from using the app because I was on a VPN with a different location than the one they had on file for me.

Genuinely wonder how much podcast history we're going to lose, if we're just making walled gardens out of RSS feeds at this point. Hope someone does back up the Spotify-exclusive podcasts somewhere.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by lysace »

cdrnsf wrote: post #20

Pretty ironic considering they bootstrapped the service with pirated music. But they've never actually cared about music — they started as an ad platform and music was the cheapest option for them to attract eyeballs.

They entered a legal agreement with STIM (Swedish equivalent of RIAA) that allowed them to use whatever during a closed beta period for the artists that that were represented by them.

But I get you, doing research is hard.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by fny »

DannyBee wrote: post #137
crazygringo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that they think is related to some undetermined future nebulously bad thing I mean, Anna's Archive was pretty clear about the future bad thing. Spotify didn't "think", it wasn't just "related", nothing was "undetermined" or "nebulous". Anna's Archive explicitly announced they were going to start distributing Spotify's music files. It's not even a case of hosting links to torrents but not seeding -- no, they were go…

"I'm not taking anybody's side here, as to what copyright law ought to be, but Spotify isn't abusing the legal process here". Normally, only those who own one or more of the exclusive rights in copyright can actually enforce. Spotify does not own copyright in the music involved in the archive, unless they created some of it (which would be an interesting story, actually - spotify competing with its own artists). So n…

This is not unusual. Spotify is included because it is a relevant source of evidence as the custodian of the data. It improves the narrative that the data wasn't just indexed but obtained illegally.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by adrianmsmith »

Paracompact wrote: post #65

Can anyone recommend a music discovery service that isn't garbage? I fled to Spotify from Pandora because it kept recommending me the exact same songs, but now Spotify does basically the same thing. In the age of machine learning, I'm really surprised there aren't superhuman music recommendation algorithms. Or maybe there are, and these algorithms simply don't serve the corporate interests. But then where are the ope…

> Can anyone recommend a music discovery service that isn't garbage?

I enjoy using last.fm, although it's not their focus these days. Sign up, connect it to Spotify or whatever you use (incl. a long list of players of local music), after a day or so it'll learn what you like and you can create playlists with suggestions and export them, or browser around recommended artists etc.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by PokemonNoGo »

machomaster wrote: post #133
surround wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia says Ek's initial pitch to Lorentzon was not initially related to music, but rather a way for streaming content such as video, digital films, images or music to drive advertising revenue. So yes, they were always intending to get revenue from ads. And yes, the initial pitch included other types of media too. But I don't think we can call Spotify "an ad platform" that "never actually cared about music" any m…

Did you know that Ars in Ars Technica stands for Ass, showing how badly they really thought of technology? /s

Sarcasm doesn't mean bad jokes.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by asveikau »

hostyle wrote: post #123
asveikau wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you have an mp3 collection, the streaming apps are good for discovery, recommendations, and generating playlists. There are probably good local solutions for the last one especially, but a convenient UI that's already on all your devices helps.

> Even if you have an mp3 collection, the streaming apps are good for discovery, recommendations ... No they are not. Hi there. We noticed you have been listening to Rage Against the Machine, Metallica and Deftones. Why not have a listen of this Robbie Williams song too ... blasts out some pop song at extra high volume.

I haven't had this experience at all.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by selfhoster11 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #125
bbor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legality is not morality. These laws in particular happen to not only be harmful, but also in direct opposition to the ostensible spirit of this board

This board is a discussion place for founders of YC companies that happens to also be open to the public.

Good thing that there are some people to counterbalance that, then.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by [deleted] »

cryzinger wrote: post #49
ronsor wrote: post #3

Unfortunately for Spotify, court orders are ineffective against foreign nationals sharing information. Copyright enforcement is as futile as the encryption "export restrictions" the US and other countries tried in the 90s and early 2000s.

Yeah, but TFA notes how Anna's Archive is dependent on US-based infrastructure, including Cloudflare. As much as I love Anna's Archive, I feel like this Spotify move was a misstep on their part. The music industry seems far scarier than the publishing industry when it comes to copyright suits, which means they have a lot to lose here by poking the bear, but there are already plenty of places to find pirated music, wh…

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