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Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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I used to use this (still do really) as a technique when starting undergraduate lectures. They’re there, ready to listen, but chatting away and need a moment to focus their attention. *SO* let me tell you further fun facts about carbonyl chemistry… Works. Those Anglo-Saxons knew what they were about.

I'm confused, isn't this the exact usage that TFA is refuting? > Yet for more than two centuries “hwæt” has been misrepresented as an attention-grabbing latter-day “yo!” designed to capture the interest of its intended Anglo-Saxon audience urging them to sit down and listen up to the exploits of the heroic monster-slayer Beowulf.

Same purpose, different grammatical structure.

Heaney's famous translation begins "So. The Spear-Danes ..." with that "So" being an interjection, a thing that could in principle stand on its own. (You might say "So." and wait for everyone to settle down and start listening.) Even more so with things like "Yo!" or "What ho!" or "Bro!" or "Lo!". (Curious how all the options seem to end in -o.)

This is more like "So, the Spear-Danes ..." where the initial "So" has roughly the same purpose of rhetorical throat-clearing and attention-getting, but now it's part of the sentence, as if it had been "As it turns out, the Spear-Danes ..." or "You might have heard that the Spear-Danes ...".

I think the theory described in OP makes the function of "hwaet" a little different, though; not so much throat-clearing and attracting attention, as marking the sentence as exclamatory. A little like the "¡" that _begins_ an exclamation in Spanish.

Of course a word can have more than one purpose, and it could be e.g. that "hwaet" marks a sentence as exclamatory and was chosen here because it functions as a way of drawing attention.

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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I’ll share another great version of Beowulf- Bea Wolf. Based on kids, with fantastic artwork and a great story/version. My kids absolutely love me reading this and I absolutely love reading it as a large passed down story of battles. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60316971-bea-wolf

Cool, that was enough to intrigue me, but for those on the fence perhaps it’ll help to note that the author is none other than Zach Weinersmith of SMBC fame.

Regarding the topic, this graphic novel begins “Hey, wait! Listen to the lives…”

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the first day of class in undergrad, most professors are handing out the syllabus and talking about class requirements and basically doing zero lecturing. Not my Philosophy 101 prof. The minute the class was scheduled to start, he opened the door and walked into the room saying, "The Greeks had a fantastic project. They were going to catalog all the knowledge in the world." I don't remember the rest of the lecture…

Which Greeks? What project is this?

Larry Page was president of the Beta Epsilon chapter of the Eta Kappa Nu engineering honor society... that's not really a frat but maybe still counts as "Greek"?

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the first day of class in undergrad, most professors are handing out the syllabus and talking about class requirements and basically doing zero lecturing. Not my Philosophy 101 prof. The minute the class was scheduled to start, he opened the door and walked into the room saying, "The Greeks had a fantastic project. They were going to catalog all the knowledge in the world." I don't remember the rest of the lecture…

Unfortunately, cataloguing all the knowledge in the world created new knowledge, leading to a sort of Zeno's paradox of cataloguing.

Then they tried to catalogue which knowledge had not yet been catalogued, and it all went to hell.

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the first day of class in undergrad, most professors are handing out the syllabus and talking about class requirements and basically doing zero lecturing. Not my Philosophy 101 prof. The minute the class was scheduled to start, he opened the door and walked into the room saying, "The Greeks had a fantastic project. They were going to catalog all the knowledge in the world." I don't remember the rest of the lecture…

Which Greeks? What project is this?

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Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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"What ho" as in British English seems like a descendant of this usage https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/77151/what-ho-of...

There was a more colloquial translation a few years ago that rendered it as "Bro!"

I guess "What bro!" is less sexist than "What ho!"

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the first day of class in undergrad, most professors are handing out the syllabus and talking about class requirements and basically doing zero lecturing. Not my Philosophy 101 prof. The minute the class was scheduled to start, he opened the door and walked into the room saying, "The Greeks had a fantastic project. They were going to catalog all the knowledge in the world." I don't remember the rest of the lecture…

Which Greeks? What project is this?

The Greek philosophers (Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, et al), and the project was, as my Philosophy 101 prof said, that they wanted to learn everything there was to know. An impossible goal, obviously, but they were dreaming the impossible dream.

Re: Beowulf's opening "What" is no interjection (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the first day of class in undergrad, most professors are handing out the syllabus and talking about class requirements and basically doing zero lecturing. Not my Philosophy 101 prof. The minute the class was scheduled to start, he opened the door and walked into the room saying, "The Greeks had a fantastic project. They were going to catalog all the knowledge in the world." I don't remember the rest of the lecture…

Which Greeks? What project is this?

Might have been the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty, and the Library of Alexandria, part of a project dedicated to the Muses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria?wprov=sf...

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