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From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by pydry »

energy123 wrote: post #43
jimbohn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, or even just protectionism. Most economists I've heard say that protectionism doesn't work, but I feel like China being quiet and protectionist in the infancy of its key industries was like the move of the century for them.

Neoclassical economics is quite clear that targeted protectionism is desirable under certain exceptions. As for China, they would be more wealthy without the meddling of their government. There's no reason they couldn't be like Taiwan, but bigger. The Chinese people got to where they are in spite of their anchor.

I remember half of the neoclassical economics focused articles about China from the late 90s and early 00s predicting that by not following ricardian comparative advantage China was shooting itself in the foot.

They kept predicting collapse, too.

Nobody talks much about the ricardian theory of static comparative advantage today. China's rise kind of invalidated it.

America was taken by surprise by its rise because of this. The cordial relations and trade flipped almost overnight to hostility once it was realized that China's economic power now rivaled that of that of the US and was poised to grow even more.

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by aaa_aaa »

g-unit33 wrote: post #52
Braxton1980 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want things to change we need to start going after the source of the governments power, the people that vote for them. T

Even if 90% of the country marks the box against the regime, they’ll still announce a 90% 'landslide' victory. Voting doesn't matter, when you print your own outcome

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Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

hkalbasi wrote: post #36

As an Iranian in Iran who is now connected, I have a request: Please tell google make colab available behind the safe browsing IP. Google's safe browsing IP is usually the #1 whitelisted IP in internet blackouts. Having colab on this IP allows tech people to ssh into their servers, and bootstrap connections based on the available protocols at the time.

On the small chance that cloudflare is also whitelisted.., you might want to try a cloudflared tunnel..

Good luck! i hope you will soon be able to call your congressman

https://archive.ph/2026.01.22-082913/https://www.aljazeera.c...

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by UltraSane »

aaa_aaa wrote: post #62
g-unit33 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if 90% of the country marks the box against the regime, they’ll still announce a 90% 'landslide' victory. Voting doesn't matter, when you print your own outcome

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That isn't even remotely true.

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by UltraSane »

breppp wrote: post #31
baxtr wrote: post #8

> Had authorities withdrawn IPv4 routes, as they did with IPv6, Iran would have become completely unreachable, as Egypt was in January 2011. By keeping IPv4 routes in circulation, Iranian authorities can selectively grant full internet access to specific users while denying it to the broader population. As of late, we’ve seen a few measures like the restoration of transit from Rostelecom and the return of routes orig…

Not going to defend the islamic republic with its massacres, but if there is no racial element there is no apartheid, no need to overload a precise term. This is simply turning down methods of communications to reduce protestors ability to coordinate and enable mass killings

Iran treats Jews as second class citizens and prevents them from all leaving.

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by jraby3 »

jltsiren wrote: post #55
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #34

There has been much prognostication about the internet blackout but it misses the real issue. The internet blackout only works perfectly when there are no media backed journalists on the ground. The absolute absence of any reporting from foreign journalists on the ground anywhere in Iran is striking. There was even some reporting from Tiananmen Square in 1989, and from Baghdad in 1991. News media has ceased to be a m…

There are plenty of Western journalists in Iran, but they are subject to the same internet blackout as everyone else. Embassies can use satellite communications due to diplomatic immunity, while journalists are just average nobodies who face extra scrutiny due to their jobs.

Why can't they use starlink?

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by bakugo »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #45
navigate8310 wrote: post #23

> To mitigate the costs of its shutdown, the Iranian government has created an internal national internet and appears to be in the process of building a “whitelisting” system to allow certain individuals and services internet access while blocking the rest. If these measures successfully enable an unpopular Iranian government to remain in power, we can expect to see them replicated elsewhere. Another emerging country…

If you want things to change we need to start going after the source of the governments power, the people that vote for them. T

Agreed. If we want democracy to prosper, we clearly need to start punishing people who vote incorrectly.

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by imtringued »

energy123 wrote: post #43
jimbohn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, or even just protectionism. Most economists I've heard say that protectionism doesn't work, but I feel like China being quiet and protectionist in the infancy of its key industries was like the move of the century for them.

Neoclassical economics is quite clear that targeted protectionism is desirable under certain exceptions. As for China, they would be more wealthy without the meddling of their government. There's no reason they couldn't be like Taiwan, but bigger. The Chinese people got to where they are in spite of their anchor.

Not really. In neoclassical economics protectionism is only justified as a necessary evil and it is always a form of militarism (spending money to weaken or defend against your enemy), rather than building yourself up.

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by bjourne »

hkalbasi wrote: post #36

As an Iranian in Iran who is now connected, I have a request: Please tell google make colab available behind the safe browsing IP. Google's safe browsing IP is usually the #1 whitelisted IP in internet blackouts. Having colab on this IP allows tech people to ssh into their servers, and bootstrap connections based on the available protocols at the time.

Doesn't using ssh from colab violate their ToS?

Re: From stealth blackout to whitelisting: Inside the Iranian shutdown

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Post by pydry »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #45
navigate8310 wrote: post #23

> To mitigate the costs of its shutdown, the Iranian government has created an internal national internet and appears to be in the process of building a “whitelisting” system to allow certain individuals and services internet access while blocking the rest. If these measures successfully enable an unpopular Iranian government to remain in power, we can expect to see them replicated elsewhere. Another emerging country…

If you want things to change we need to start going after the source of the governments power, the people that vote for them. T

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