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Does anyone know how much the cost-per-token is trending down year-over-year for models of similar quality? Seems like whether this idea works really depends on that curve.

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I think there's an interesting idea behind Gas Town (basically, using supervisor trees to make agents reliable, analogous to how Erlang uses them to make processes reliable), but it's lacking a proper quality ratchet (agents often don't mind changing or deleting tests instead of fixing code) and architectural function (agents tend to reinvent the wheel over and over again, the context window simply isn't big enough t…

> have another look at that code

That would assume he's even looked at the code in the first place - I think his whole thesis is based on you never looking at the code.

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post #9

I think there's an interesting idea behind Gas Town (basically, using supervisor trees to make agents reliable, analogous to how Erlang uses them to make processes reliable), but it's lacking a proper quality ratchet (agents often don't mind changing or deleting tests instead of fixing code) and architectural function (agents tend to reinvent the wheel over and over again, the context window simply isn't big enough t…

> have another look at that code So true. beads[0] is such a mess. Keeps breaking often with each release. Can't understand how people can rely on it for their day-to-day work. [0] https://github.com/steveyegge/beads

That's been my experience as well. I like the idea of Beads, but it's fallen apart for me after a couple weeks of moderate use on two different projects now. Luckily, it's easy to migrate back to plain ol' Markdown files, which work just as well and have never failed me.

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I spent some time reading about Gas Town to see if I could understand what Stevey was trying to accomplish. I think he has some good ideas in there, actually - it really does seem like he's thought a bit about what coding in the future might look like. Unfortunately, it's so full of esoteric language and vibecoded READMEs that it is quite difficult to get into. The most concerning thing is that Stevey seems totally u…

There’s an acquaintance here in Australia that has built something similar without the crazy terminology and it is pretty solid.

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post #9

I think there's an interesting idea behind Gas Town (basically, using supervisor trees to make agents reliable, analogous to how Erlang uses them to make processes reliable), but it's lacking a proper quality ratchet (agents often don't mind changing or deleting tests instead of fixing code) and architectural function (agents tend to reinvent the wheel over and over again, the context window simply isn't big enough t…

"Quality ratchet" is such a great name. Thanks for that.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing I have read about LLMs and related makes it seem like they will be affordable in the future when it comes to software specifically. I will preface this that I think AI agents can accomplish impressive things, but in the same way that the Great Pyramid of Giza was impressive while not being economically valuable. Software is constantly updating. For LLMs to be useful they need to be relatively up to date with…

But why should one expect no future improvement in training costs (all else being equal) from Moore's Law, never mind any future use of eg. more efficient algorithms or more specialised hardware?

If you are quoting Moore's Law in 2026 as the reason LLMs will be profitable, I don’t know how to interact with you.

I guess we’ll make up the losses per unit at scale, and grow to infinity.

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post #9

I think there's an interesting idea behind Gas Town (basically, using supervisor trees to make agents reliable, analogous to how Erlang uses them to make processes reliable), but it's lacking a proper quality ratchet (agents often don't mind changing or deleting tests instead of fixing code) and architectural function (agents tend to reinvent the wheel over and over again, the context window simply isn't big enough t…

Indeed, the Gas-Town token is down 97% from all-time high, see https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gas-town/

He's obviously a smart guy, so he definitely should've known better. It's weird how these AI evangelists use AI for everything, but somehow he didn't ask ChatGPT what all of this means and if it may have reputational damage, because I just asked if I should claim these trading fees, and it said:

   Claiming could be interpreted as:

   * Endorsing the token

   * Being complicit if others get rugged later

   * This matters if your X account has real followers.
and in the end told me to NOT claim these fees unless I'm OK with being associated with that token.

Re: Stevey's Birthday Blog

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post #29
post #9

I think there's an interesting idea behind Gas Town (basically, using supervisor trees to make agents reliable, analogous to how Erlang uses them to make processes reliable), but it's lacking a proper quality ratchet (agents often don't mind changing or deleting tests instead of fixing code) and architectural function (agents tend to reinvent the wheel over and over again, the context window simply isn't big enough t…

Indeed, the Gas-Town token is down 97% from all-time high, see https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gas-town/ He's obviously a smart guy, so he definitely should've known better. It's weird how these AI evangelists use AI for everything, but somehow he didn't ask ChatGPT what all of this means and if it may have reputational damage, because I just asked if I should claim these trading fees, and it said: Claiming coul…

When you're under a lot of stress, your internal evaluation function for what is moral can start to break down. It may have been hard for him to turn the money down, especially if he's addicted to the sense of power he's getting from his coding agent spend. As he said, his wife suggested they can't afford it.

There's another thing. A certain type of engineer seems to get sucked into Amazon's pressure culture. They either are, or end up, a bit manic. Laid back and relaxed one day (especially after holidays), but wound up and under a lot of internal pressure to produce the next, and a lot more of the latter. Something like Gas Town must be a crazy fix when you're feeling that pain. Combined with the vision that if you don't, you're unemployed/unemployable in 12 to 24 months, you might feel you have no choice but to spend every waking minute at it.

It's a bit (more than a bit) rude to analyse someone at a distance. And to be honest, I think something like Gas Town is probably one of the possible shapes of things to come. I don't think what I can observe looks super healthy, is all.

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