The X11 Files

#1

Post by ank » Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 5:10 AM UTC

The X11 Files
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Re: The X11 Files

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Post by thwarted » Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 10:08 AM UTC

I never understood the confusion over how X11 refers to the "server" and the "client". You hit a key in xterm, the client, it requests, to the server, that certain pixels light up in such a way as to represent a character. Clients make requests, servers carry them out. The apparent confusion is more confounding when you consider that, today, few people actually run X clients remotely for everyday purposes, so the server and the client are right in front of you on the same machine, so confusion over the "server" being a "remote" resource are unfounded. On top of that, I can not comprehend what kinds of requests could be made by the video hardware, and the software that drives it, that would make it a client and the X application the server.

Re: The X11 Files

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Post by plaes » Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 1:29 PM UTC

thwarted wrote: post #2

I never understood the confusion over how X11 refers to the "server" and the "client". You hit a key in xterm, the client, it requests, to the server, that certain pixels light up in such a way as to represent a character. Clients make requests, servers carry them out. The apparent confusion is more confounding when you consider that, today, few people actually run X clients remotely for everyday purposes, so the ser…

And it is even scarier with the 3D stuff :P

Fortunately there is some API refinement going on throughout the whole stack - Gallium3D, kernel modesetting and of course - companies finally releasing their chip specs (except Nvidia).

Re: The X11 Files

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Post by nailer » Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 1:44 PM UTC

thwarted wrote: post #2

I never understood the confusion over how X11 refers to the "server" and the "client". You hit a key in xterm, the client, it requests, to the server, that certain pixels light up in such a way as to represent a character. Clients make requests, servers carry them out. The apparent confusion is more confounding when you consider that, today, few people actually run X clients remotely for everyday purposes, so the ser…

Clients make requests, servers carry them out.

* Rest of industry: apps are requested by little machines, and provided by big machines

* X: display is requested by big machines, and provided by little machines

Both 'app serving' and 'display serving' models are valid, however X just happens to have used display serving when every other piece of remote display software went for the other model.