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Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by have_faith »

endofreach wrote: post #4

what‘s in it for spotify? i can‘t think of a single person who‘d stop paying for streaming services (music) in favour of going back to illegally download or (or even legally purchase) songs & managing their own library. m a y b e some devs would. but those thinking about it, wouldn‘t be stopped like that. i am thinking about it, yet i just renewed my subscription because i lack time & motivation to crawl down yet ano…

I cancelled my Spotify the other day in favour of listening to my own archive. I’m admittedly an outlier though.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by snowmobile »

kilroy123 wrote: post #26
snowmobile wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people are cancelling Spotify among my friends, even very "non-technical" folks. For me I've just gone back to radio or Youtube:ing a few songs for free here and there. Paying the cost of a lunch every month is just not worth it anymore for subscription services.

I know people who recently canceled, but I think it has more to do with them raising the price.

Yeah I'm not saying my friends who cancelled are going to torrent music like it's the 2000's, but when so much music is freely available on the web, why pay? For me it was mainly that the app kept getting worse though.

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endofreach wrote: post #4

what‘s in it for spotify? i can‘t think of a single person who‘d stop paying for streaming services (music) in favour of going back to illegally download or (or even legally purchase) songs & managing their own library. m a y b e some devs would. but those thinking about it, wouldn‘t be stopped like that. i am thinking about it, yet i just renewed my subscription because i lack time & motivation to crawl down yet ano…

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Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by crazygringo »

holmesworcester wrote: post #34
cdrnsf wrote: post #20

Pretty ironic considering they bootstrapped the service with pirated music. But they've never actually cared about music — they started as an ad platform and music was the cheapest option for them to attract eyeballs.

"Spotify" literally means "put ads on things". It's not obvious to US English speakers but "spot" was ad industry jargon and became the word for "TV commercial" in several European languages. It's so gross that this ever slid through as a brand for a music app. We've descended so far...Music app branding started with Wesley Willis jokes!

That's a fun theory but there's no evidence that was their intention with the name...

From what they've said, it's about "spotting" and "identifying" music and music trends. But it seems like mostly it was just a somewhat nonsense word that was easy to remember and whose domain name was available.

Especially since it's popular as a paid service without ads.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by asveikau »

holmesworcester wrote: post #34
cdrnsf wrote: post #20

Pretty ironic considering they bootstrapped the service with pirated music. But they've never actually cared about music — they started as an ad platform and music was the cheapest option for them to attract eyeballs.

"Spotify" literally means "put ads on things". It's not obvious to US English speakers but "spot" was ad industry jargon and became the word for "TV commercial" in several European languages. It's so gross that this ever slid through as a brand for a music app. We've descended so far...Music app branding started with Wesley Willis jokes!

My first language is US English and I am familiar with that usage of the word "spot", but didn't make the connection to "Spotify" until reading your comment.

This reminds me of the phenomenon of imported words being used in another language, but using a less common definitions of the word. For example I'm told "Oldtimer" is a vintage car in German, but most Americans would say it was an older or experienced person. Maybe "Spotify" could also mean something giving you acne.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by bbor »

akersten wrote: post #7

But you can't even download the allegedly infringing material from the .org site. You can just read about it? So they're abusing the All Writs Act to take down a site that they think is related to some undetermined future nebulously bad thing for their business. If I wasn't on Anna's side before, I sure am now.

  If I wasn't on Anna's side before, I sure am now.
A) You're quite the poet!

B) We should all be on Anna's side if we're to live up this board's name even a little bit: https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamj...

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by Supermancho »

crazygringo wrote: post #33
akersten wrote: post #7

But you can't even download the allegedly infringing material from the .org site. You can just read about it? So they're abusing the All Writs Act to take down a site that they think is related to some undetermined future nebulously bad thing for their business. If I wasn't on Anna's side before, I sure am now.

> that they think is related to some undetermined future nebulously bad thing I mean, Anna's Archive was pretty clear about the future bad thing. Spotify didn't "think", it wasn't just "related", nothing was "undetermined" or "nebulous". Anna's Archive explicitly announced they were going to start distributing Spotify's music files. It's not even a case of hosting links to torrents but not seeding -- no, they were go…

> Anna's Archive explicitly announced they were going to start distributing Spotify's music files. It's not even a case of hosting links to torrents but not seeding -- no, they were going to be doing the seeding too. You can't get more clear-cut than that.

You can get more "clear cut" than that. You could rule when there were damages or law was actually broken. Committing a crime is not the same as saying you will commit a crime. ie. I will rob the bank on the Chase Bank Kraemer Branch in Orange County. Now try and prosecute me. Yes, I understand this would fall under criminal vs civil. The issue is about the law being applied in the way the benefits the ones with the most money, more often than not, violating equal protections and further eroding public confidence in the US legal system.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by xvokcarts »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21
franze wrote: post #15

Deezer has in its onboarding flow a pretty cool "get your lists from spotify" feature. from all liked/currated songs - a few thousands - it could not match about 2.

could you expand on this please? if I understood correctly then Deezer fails to match songs from a list of thousands? thanks

I understood it as out of a few thousand songs, Deezer only failed to match 2.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by cryzinger »

ronsor wrote: post #3

Unfortunately for Spotify, court orders are ineffective against foreign nationals sharing information. Copyright enforcement is as futile as the encryption "export restrictions" the US and other countries tried in the 90s and early 2000s.

Yeah, but TFA notes how Anna's Archive is dependent on US-based infrastructure, including Cloudflare.

As much as I love Anna's Archive, I feel like this Spotify move was a misstep on their part. The music industry seems far scarier than the publishing industry when it comes to copyright suits, which means they have a lot to lose here by poking the bear, but there are already plenty of places to find pirated music, which means they also don't have much to gain.

Re: Spotify won court order against Anna's Archive, taking down .org domain

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Post by jrflowers »

endofreach wrote: post #4

what‘s in it for spotify? i can‘t think of a single person who‘d stop paying for streaming services (music) in favour of going back to illegally download or (or even legally purchase) songs & managing their own library. m a y b e some devs would. but those thinking about it, wouldn‘t be stopped like that. i am thinking about it, yet i just renewed my subscription because i lack time & motivation to crawl down yet ano…

I put Rockbox on a non-techie friend’s new mp3 player just the other day. Some folks absolutely went back to buying/pirating music after the whole Spotify playing ads for ICE thing. It’s apparently fun curating a collection like in the olden days, and sites like fmhy have gotten pretty popular recently.
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