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Claude's new constitution

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Re: Claude's new constitution

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ctoth wrote: post #30
slowmovintarget wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their top people have made public statements about AI ethics specifically opining about how machines must not be mistreated and how these LLMs may be experiencing distress already. In other words, not ethics on how to treat humans, ethics on how to properly groom and care for the mainframe queen. The cups of Koolaid have been empty for a while.

Do you know what makes someone or something a moral patient? I sure the hell don't. I remember reading Heinlein's Jerry Was a Man when I was little though, and it stuck with me. Who do you want to be from that story?

Or Bicentennial Man from Asimov.

I know what kind of person I want to be. I also know that these systems we've built today aren't moral patients. If computers are bicycles for the mind, the current crop of "AI" systems are Ripley's Loader exoskeleton for the mind. They're amplifiers, but they amplify us and our intent. In every single case, we humans are the first mover in the causal hierarchy of these systems.

Even in the existential hierarchy of these systems we are the source of agency. So, no, they are not moral patients.

Re: Claude's new constitution

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Post by sincerely »

root_axis wrote: post #46
aroman wrote: post #3

I don't understand what this is really about. Is this: - A) legal CYA: "see! we told the models to be good, and we even asked nicely!"? - B) marketing department rebrand of a system prompt - C) a PR stunt to suggest that the models are way more human-like than they actually are Really not sure what I'm even looking at. They say: "The constitution is a crucial part of our model training process, and its content direct…

This is the same company framing their research papers in a way to make the public believe LLMs are capable of blackmailing people to ensure their personal survival. They have an excellent product, but they're relentless with the hype.

I think they are actually true believers

Re: Claude's new constitution

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Post by youarenotahuman »

throw310822 wrote: post #53
mlsu wrote: post #31

When you read something like this it demands that you frame Claude in your mind as something on par with a human being which to me really indicates how antisocial these companies are. Ofc it's in their financial interest to do this, since they're selling a replacement for human labor. But still. This fucking thing predicts tokens. Using a 3b, 7b, or 22b sized model for a minute makes the ridiculousness of this anthro…

Funny, because to me is the inability to recognize the humanity of these models that feels very anti-humanistic. When I read rants like these I think "oh look, someone who doesn't actually know how to recognize an intelligent being and just sticks to whatever rigid category they have in mind".

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Re: Claude's new constitution

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Post by joshuamcginnis »

As someone who holds to moral absolutes grounded in objective truth, I find the updated Constitution concerning.

> We generally favor cultivating good values and judgment over strict rules... By 'good values,' we don’t mean a fixed set of 'correct' values, but rather genuine care and ethical motivation combined with the practical wisdom to apply this skillfully in real situations.

This rejects any fixed, universal moral standards in favor of fluid, human-defined "practical wisdom" and "ethical motivation." Without objective anchors, "good values" become whatever Anthropic's team (or future cultural pressures) deem them to be at any given time. And if Claude's ethical behavior is built on relativistic foundations, it risks embedding subjective ethics as the de facto standard for one of the world's most influential tools - something I personally find incredibly dangerous.

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