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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by embedding-shape »

bluecalm wrote: post #586
embedding-shape wrote: post #447

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> It's not a problem for me today. It was a big problem when I had no revenue, needed to do all the paperwork, meet ridiculous local accounting requirements connected to selling software in a different currency than my local one, write code, setup licensing, shipping the software to the clients etc. Since this depends mostly on what country you are in/you are setting up the country in, what specific country was this?…

For me it's very stressful to not comply with the regulation on purpose hoping I am too small to not get punished by the authority. It would be easier to just ignore the regulation. I get this makes me not well predisposed to do business in EU. Thank you for your advice.

> It would be easier to just ignore the regulation.

Well, in your case, completely ignoring something rather than doing it later sounds like it would be more stressful for you, if the problem is not complying? I'm don't think wanting to comply with regulation makes you "not well predisposed to do business in EU" and I'm not sure where you get that from.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by p0pularopinion »

egorfine wrote: post #245
whynotmaybe wrote: post #223

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You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? Each time the Commission comes with a new rule, most countries agree with it. And if its an "unpopular", the game for each gov is to blame the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

> You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? I'n not entirely sure about that. The vast majority of entrepreneurs are complaining about unrealistic requirements and inconceivable burdens in Germany. Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.

> Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.

Haha. May I introduce you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Reform_Movement

German precision was not only about engineering, it has always also been about having a precisely defined bureaucratic process for everything.

Also, people never explicitly say they do want more bureaucracy. More often, the bureaucracy is more often a result of what people don't want to. They may want more roads, but they don't want them near *their* home, thus they fight for something to prevent construction there. They may want this subsidy, but they most certainly do not want person X to get it as well.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

wolvoleo wrote: post #618
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #607

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> The prevailing idea here is that the US is best at everything and its model will always win. But in reality it's been in decline for a long time and it's become a pretty toxic society I don't want to see here in Europe. If the USA is in decline you must consider Europe a failed state at this point then? Nearly every wealth inequality issue is worse in Europe then the USA. Youth unemployment has become a permanent f…

The EU is not a state. And no, wealth inequality is much higher in the US: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wealth-in... . And those are averages, we don't have people making 100.000x more than others. We also have wayyy less violent crime: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-c... , and much less people in prison per capita LGBTQ+ rights are way better covered here (with the e…

> And no, wealth inequality is much higher in the US

Absolute numbers don't matter as I was saying the issues caused by wealth inequality such as housing crisis are much worse in the EU.

> We also have wayyy less violent crime

Fair but I will say ours is very concentrated to specific areas / demographics so the average person rarely has to deal with that.

> LGBTQ+ rights are way better covered here (with the exception of a couple countries that should really be booted out of the EU). Also really important for me.

So they are worse?

> Military equipment is something that we're now buying a lot from the US where prices are really high, and once we move that to European vendors we can get a lot more for the same money

That's a two decade plus plan that hasn't even started and is already running into issues. Doesn't help that the EU needs weapons now not in 20 years.

> And we don't need so much. I don't need or want a car, a big TV, daily takeaway coffees etc.

It's one thing not to want it's another to not to be able to have.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by p0pularopinion »

mono442 wrote: post #68
embedding-shape wrote: post #65

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So? Countries outside of EU don't always care for human rights or other things we find important. That doesn't mean we shouldn't still aim for the values we stand for.

Global warming is ultimately a global problem. It doesn't matter if you reduce your CO2 emissions if others aren't following.

That is good, because it is a lie that others are not following. People love to point to China for their emissions, completely avoiding that China, as the workbench of the world, essentially is burdened with the emissions of the world.

Developing nations skip the fossil fuel stage entirely because Solar in particular and at a ceratain point wind is just cheaper than buying Oil and natural gas. Chinese EVs are also increasingly popular in emerging markets, not because they are more environmentally friendly, but because they are more cost effective to operate.

Wether or not it is because of environmental concerns or not, the world is moving towards cleaner technology, specifically it is also more efficient.

Considering that we in Europe have a remarkable absence of easily accessible fossil fuels, Europe should be continuing to push towards renewable technologies

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Post by ragall »

embedding-shape wrote: post #625
ragall wrote: post #582

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Sure, but that's very different from saying that Europeans have would never accept it. It's already happening quite extensively, though not as much as in the US. Europe seems to be 20-40 years behind the US in various economic and social developments, but it's not immune from them.

I don't read "we'll never accept here" as "it's be impossible", more like "we won't base our entire economy on that, it's not what the average person wants", because obviously Europe has various staffing companies already, and if you add a tiny bit of nuance into what they said, I'd agree with it too. > Europe seems to be 20-40 years behind the US in various economic and social developments That's one perspective, an…

> But it all depends on what you value, I'm not gonna say one is more "correct" than the other, we all have our preferences and so on.

I wasn't talking about values. Yours or mines are largely irrelevant.

40 years ago, much of the US economy was made of stable jobs. Contingent jobs used to be few, labour unions used to be much stronger. Europe is under the same economic pressures as the US, and it's slowly trending in the same direction, just with 20-40 years of delay.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by p0pularopinion »

mono442 wrote: post #70
embedding-shape wrote: post #69

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Indeed, but if everyone starts thinking "No one else is lowering their emissions so why would I?", how are we supposed to ever make any sort of progress? Someone doing something is always better than no one doing anything, can we at least agree on that?

But it is by no means obvious that carbon taxes are the right path. Targeted investments in low-emission energy sources might work better.

> But it is by no means obvious that carbon taxes are the right path.

When the government says that the market should do something, people complain about government interference. When the government lets the market do something, but sets the right incentives, people are complaining about it again.

Co2 taxation is effectively internalizing the cost of co2 pollution. The price goes up the more we pollute, because we have less budget until we cannot reach our goals anymore.

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Post by alephnerd »

embedding-shape wrote: post #625
ragall wrote: post #582

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Sure, but that's very different from saying that Europeans have would never accept it. It's already happening quite extensively, though not as much as in the US. Europe seems to be 20-40 years behind the US in various economic and social developments, but it's not immune from them.

I don't read "we'll never accept here" as "it's be impossible", more like "we won't base our entire economy on that, it's not what the average person wants", because obviously Europe has various staffing companies already, and if you add a tiny bit of nuance into what they said, I'd agree with it too. > Europe seems to be 20-40 years behind the US in various economic and social developments That's one perspective, an…

> That's one perspective, another is that US is 20-40 years behind Europe [...]

The US's HDI (0.938) is comparable to New Zealand and Liechtenstein [0], and significantly above Austria's (0.930), France's (0.920), and Italy's (0.915) [0], and the EU's HDI is itself 0.915 [1] - this puts the EU roughly in the same position as the US almost 16-17 years ago [2] despite both having a similar population.

That said, once you break the 0.900 range, the differences are essentially cosmetic so Europeans or Americans saying either are significantly behind the other from a developmental metrics perspective is dumb and deflects from issues that exist in both the US and Europe.

[0] - https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

[2] - https://globaldatalab.org/shdi/table/shdi/USA/?levels=1+4&ye...

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by WilcoKruijer »

moooo99 wrote: post #630
ronsor wrote: post #622

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Reading this thread, I do not get Germany's worship of notaries and notarizations.

What I find funny is that in Germany, you can only buy a house with a notary to prevent shady things (reasonable), but up until 2023, you could literally buy the entire thing with cash, without having to provide any proof of the origin of the funds.

Isn't the notary there to take note of the shadiness of buying in cash and, if shady enough, abolish the transfer?
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