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Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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Why indeed is Windows 11 Explorer so slow? Why is file copying so slow?

I started using Double Commander over Explorer and Terracopy for moving files around. Double Commander isn't the prettiest but it works quite well.

The responsiveness of both these apps shows that the problem isn't necessarily the Windows 11 operating system itself.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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One thing that is pretty impressive with Windows 11 however is WSL. I can just run a X program and it pops up as its own Window. So for example, I can run Chrome on Ubuntu on Windows, out of the box. On Windows 10, WSL is good for the command line, but Windows 11 takes it much further.

Why the pain of working with W11, when you can run Ubuntu or, better, any other distro in your machine.

So you can continue to work with MS Office, etc. on your at-work machine, maintained by the IT department.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My most recent astonishment was they've shoved copilot into notepad. Why did they get rid of Wordpad and ruin notepad again? It's like they've forgotten the entire purpose of Task Manager, Notepad, etc. Then again (gestures at World Economic Forum today)...feels like I'm mainlining crazy pills these days.

The purpose of Notepad, for Microsoft, is that it is an experimental playground, and always has been. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180521-00/?p=98...

I know who runs that blog, but that's a really exaggerated take.

Notepad has had nearly identical UX from Windows 1.0 until 10. Sure, there's a search feature that appeared at some point, ditto with the status bar, at some point they made it able to open files larger than 64K, and apparently you can open files from URLs directly?

Five or so noticable changes in an extremely lightweight and utilitarian application in thirty years is not at all like completely redesigning it into an AI slop machine.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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> Since I already committed to ditching my partner in favor of a more attractive ex… This was a funny sentence to read, as my first thought as I started the article was “Windows users are starting to remind me of people stuck in cycles of abusive relationships.” Windows has been in a cycle of abusively bad releases followed by sheepish "sorry, we learned our lesson" releases for nearly thirty years. What is the autho…

Don't get me wrong, If hating Microslop was an Olympic sport I'd be on the podium every 4 years, but Win 95, XP, and 7 were functional, usable and stable OS's. 8 got a lot of flak for it's horrible UI changes, but under the hood it was actually a big improvement to 7. It's been steadily downhill since 7 though. Integration of spyware got it's foothold in 8 and now that we are at 11, you've got a completely spyware ri…

Windows 7 was effectively just vista but enough time had passed that the required hardware to run it was easy to get a hold of.

The biggest problem with Vista is you had a lot of Windows XP computers running happily on 256 and 512MB of ram. That made updating to Vista REALLY painful to a lot of people.

I think people forget about how little resources 95, 98, and XP needed to run.

XP was also criticized for being a hog when it first came out. People viewed Windows 2000 as being the good windows right up until memory became more abundant. You couldn't run XP on a machine with 64MB of ram, but you could run windows ME and 98 on that same machine.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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> Since I already committed to ditching my partner in favor of a more attractive ex… This was a funny sentence to read, as my first thought as I started the article was “Windows users are starting to remind me of people stuck in cycles of abusive relationships.” Windows has been in a cycle of abusively bad releases followed by sheepish "sorry, we learned our lesson" releases for nearly thirty years. What is the autho…

Don't get me wrong, If hating Microslop was an Olympic sport I'd be on the podium every 4 years, but Win 95, XP, and 7 were functional, usable and stable OS's. 8 got a lot of flak for it's horrible UI changes, but under the hood it was actually a big improvement to 7. It's been steadily downhill since 7 though. Integration of spyware got it's foothold in 8 and now that we are at 11, you've got a completely spyware ri…

> If hating Microslop was an Olympic sport I'd be on the podium every 4 years,

To be fair, I agree they are overdue for a truly awful release.

I mean, there was Windows Me and then 7 years later Windows Vista.

Those were truly Gold medal awful podium releases.

Even with Windows 11 I don't think we've hit that level in the cycle just yet.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of Notepad, for Microsoft, is that it is an experimental playground, and always has been. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180521-00/?p=98...

I know who runs that blog, but that's a really exaggerated take. Notepad has had nearly identical UX from Windows 1.0 until 10. Sure, there's a search feature that appeared at some point, ditto with the status bar, at some point they made it able to open files larger than 64K, and apparently you can open files from URLs directly? Five or so noticable changes in an extremely lightweight and utilitarian application in…

Tabs and auto-recover are welcome additions (but still cannot compete with the likes of Notepad++).

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same stuff that comes up every time in these threads, and at some point, you have to consider that maybe you're holding it wrong. For example: "installing programs is a mix of flatpaks, APKs, and building from source"? Like Windows and macOS aren't hellish wastelands of unreliable and inconsistent installations? Really? Microsoft Store? .msi? Custom .exe installer that litters random junk in inscrutable p…

> Or, macOS: Is it a .dmg with an .app that you drag to Applications? - In 98% of cases it is a .dmg with .app ... so drag and drop or App Store install. - 1% of cases it is a standard installer and that is mostly because the developer is old-school and too lazy to make a .app (e.g. here's looking at you Microsoft) - The remaining 1% (Homebrew/Macports) is really for the power-user, and in most cases you can just dow…

- In 98% of cases it is a .dmg with .app ... so drag and drop or App Store install. - 1% of cases it is a standard installer and that is mostly because the developer is old-school and too lazy to make a .app (e.g. here's looking at you Microsoft)

Part of my job is automating macOS software deployment. I do this all day. I can confidently tell you that your percentages are way off. I wish you were right because dragging an app bundle into Applications is obviously the correct way to do it. But alas, that is very far from the world we live in.

For example I have never used Homebrew/Macports because my 1% power-user software has been available through the developer's Github (e.g. `bazel` etc. all publish mac release binaries )

This is "a tar.gz with random crap". Convenient perhaps, but it doesn't help your argument that macOS is less of a hellscape.

But `apt install foo` is a synonym for "custom installer that does who knows what" and/or "tar.gz with random crap in it"

No, it's really not. It knows what files it puts where and can cleanly upgrade and uninstall with a predictable and standardized method. It's not that I usually care where the files are strewn exactly, it's that I want consistent installations done in a systematic and coherent way; I don't want to rely on an UNINSTALL.EXE that, like the installer, I have no idea what it does.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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What they have done with 25H2 should be ILLEGAL. - Forcing AI - Reversing Anti-Adware settings by default

RemoveWindowsAI https://github.com/zoicware/RemoveWindowsAI

ProtonDB The list of AI crap is jaw gobbin massive.

ProtonDB checks known linux game compatibility && login with Steam to check your library! https://www.protondb.com/dashboard

RemoveWindowsAI shows a massive amount of AI crap they are trying to force on us. It removes EVERYTHING and is updated regularly.

I DO HATE Windows 11 and don't trust Microsoft with my data one bit. Every prompt you make lives in their logs no matter what they say - they flat out lie about it. "Oh we made it anonyomous". Sure. Yeah. RIGHT. With AI any data can be made Not-Anonymous.

Hopefully the EU will smash!

I'm trying bazzite (https://bazzite.gg) which is made for gaming.

My official reasons to hate Windows 11 go on and on. Here are a few

Windows 11 REMOVED vertical task bars - the most screen space efficient way to Task! Windows 11 ARBITRARILY limits the number of Apps you can have pinned to your task bar, Windows 11 WASTES a massive number of pixels and forces you to have a blank task bar.

Just typing this is letting the rage flow and I'm embracing the DARK SIDE.

I love AI when it's my choice to give them my data, and I love developing with it, and I love building it into Apps for users who need it as a tool.

Plus 1000% NSA scooping up everything including with moles on site at every major tech company.

Re: Hate is a strong word, but I don't like Windows 11

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I'm not being factious, but is there any Linux distro with a desktop experience that matches Windows and macos? Like, yes, I know there are many flaws with both. A lot of sound, technical issues with windows and macos. A slew of UX ones as well. But despite W11 carrying around remnants of Windows 98 still, both of those OSes _feel nice_. Multiple desktops work well, nice gestures, simple installers and applications.…

The problem with linux hasn't been the GUI for a long time, even 20 years ago you had flashier GUI than win / mac. Personally I don't care about GUI and just run i3 with shitty looking dialogs.

The problem with linux has been either hardware compatibility or when things don't work it's a pain to figure it out however I have good news on that front! For the life of me I've never managed to send audio to my monitor / TV speakers when running linux but now with Gemini I've managed to finally fix it. So if you're scared about things breaking and spending hours inside man pages.. just copy paste your console into an LLM and it'll probably help you out.

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