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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by causalscience »

techpression wrote: post #81
causalscience wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case it sounds like "unification was bad" is an unfair characterization. Unification was bad by proxy, due to the bad decisions of Germany. If Germany had made better decisions, unification would've been good as Sweden would've had lower prices on a larger market.

”Bad or good by proxy” is how all policy plays out though, your ideas mean nothing if reality says otherwise. And Germany going coal was well known by time of unification (one might think it was because of that, tinfoil hat on).

Personally, I try to not think of the world in binary terms. I don't find "unification bad" useful.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tchalla »

miroljub wrote: post #374
sevenzero wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one of the idiotic "our tax money is spent for bicycle lanes in foreign countries" mindsets many right wingers share in Germany.

Just because you accusse people to be "right wingers" because they don't want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries doesn't make them wrong. If you want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries, go start a fund an fund them privately. For the people that don't know the topic: - yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries - it's not the only waste of money going to foreign countr…

>> For the people that don't know the topic:

>> - yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries

Just for people to know this, we are talking about 44Mn€ (20Mn€ + 24Mn€) of money in Peru as the commentator mentions below. It is wasteful but it has practically no effect on Germany. There are 1000x things that Germany does within Germany that moves the needle more than the talking about this rounding error. But that requires introspection and ownership of responsibility - both alien to the country’s normal compliance attitude of working.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tchalla »

apexalpha wrote: post #252

As a Dutch person I never understood this push until someone told me (and this is true in 2026!!!) that if you open a LLC (Gmbh?) in Germany you have to physically go to the notary and have a person READ OUT all the statutes to you. The whole process including banks accounts etc... can apparently take months in total. Personally I would not create "EU-INC" but just make all local entities legal in every country. Then…

If only it were that. You have to put up 25000€ in capital and pay absurd amount of fees to the notary for essentially being a text to speech translator.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by embedding-shape »

alephnerd wrote: post #520
embedding-shape wrote: post #15

> On Saturday, I was in Asunción, in Paraguay, to sign the EU-Mercosur trade agreement. It was a breakthrough after 25 years of negotiations. And with it, the EU and Latin America have created the largest free trade zone in the world. A market worth over 20% of global GDP. 31 countries with over 700 million consumers. Aligned with the Paris Agreement. This agreement sends a powerful message to the world. That we are…

The Mercosur deal is frozen now as it's just been referred to the CJEU [0], which means at least 1-2 years of litigation. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-lawmakers-vote-whether-laun...

Hmm, less ideal.

> A group of 144 lawmakers put forward a parliamentary motion to ask the EU Court of Justice to rule on whether the agreement can be applied before full ratification by all member states and whether its provisions restrict the EU's ability to set environmental and consumer health policies. The court typically takes around two years to deliver such opinions.

Hopefully the court will take a look around what's going on the world, and get a little bit of push to act a bit faster, although hopefully not compromising on "environmental and consumer health policies", that'd be a blunder of it's own.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by Tangurena2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #224
whateverboat wrote: post #213

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What about Luxembourg?

If you have to setup a company today, and want the easiest path to EU-wide SaaS, probably Estonia is the way to go, very easy for EU citizens (don't know how the experience would be from outside, if it's even possible).

It seems easy enough for US residents as well: https://www.e-resident.gov.ee/nomadvisa/

Checking the requirements, it seems to me that any "first world" citizen would encounter a low barrier for entry, with exceptions for Russians ("second world" citizens).

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tchalla »

hijodelsol wrote: post #299
_petronius wrote: post #264

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This is true of all contract notarization in Germany (even when buying a house, jesus that is a slog), and although it is a bendy-banana level silly thing that people focus on, isn't actually the biggest problem in company founding here. MUCH more problematic is unfavorable tax rules making equity compensation difficult, capital requirements, legal/notary fees, and an investor class that is notoriously skittish. If y…

I agree. The notary process is a bit annoying, but it only costs 500-1,000 euros. Yes, that's not ideal, but if you're building a proper business, that shouldn't be an issue. You can typically get an appointment within a week, no matter where you are or where your company is registered. However, once the notary sends your documents off, it can take days or weeks for the registry courts to handle them. You have to reg…

> but it only costs 500-1,000 euros. Yes, that's not ideal, but if you're building a proper business, that shouldn't be an issue.

It is and should be an issue. You shouldn’t be required to put in any money towards a text to speech translator let alone 1000€.

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Post by sirlantis »

Sprotch wrote: post #532

How is this different from an SE, which has been existing since 2004? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societas_Europaea

> Current EU company structures like the European Company (SE) are made for public companies and ill-suited for startups due to high capital requirements, complex formation processes, and heavy administrative burdens. A flexible, tailored EU-wide entity for startups will solve these issues.

From the FAQ https://www.eu-inc.org/faq

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by tchalla »

LunaSea wrote: post #483
defo10 wrote: post #130

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You can bill, but the company owners are completely liable until the process is completed. Then the liability goes over to the company. Quite the risk if you ask me.

Not fucking-up in the first 8 weeks does not seem too difficult to achieve

It’s not difficult to achieve to setup a company within 15 minutes too but here we are.
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