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EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"one europe" except for all the other bits of europe

Well, isn't it the same for America? America is more than the US. I know the name Americas is used, but that is more like an afterthought.

I dont think this is the same. If you started referring to North America as a name for the USA then it would be equal

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#252
As a Dutch person I never understood this push until someone told me (and this is true in 2026!!!) that if you open a LLC (Gmbh?) in Germany you have to physically go to the notary and have a person READ OUT all the statutes to you.

The whole process including banks accounts etc... can apparently take months in total.

Personally I would not create "EU-INC" but just make all local entities legal in every country. Then countries could compete to be the best system to attract companies and entrepreneurs.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#254
post #83

I always heard that the issue with startup investment in Europe was the general lack of capital investors willing to take Hail Mary risks on founders with a wild idea and maybe little experience. The market is far too risk-averse for a grassroots early-stage startup scene. How would this organization address that fundamental psychological block?

UK founder here in cybersecurity. I’ve bootstrapped and exited twice. For my third venture, I cold emailed a US VC (from their about us page) that specializes in cyber. Within a month I had a term sheet. I didn’t take it because it was contingent on relocating to the US or adding a US based cofounder/senior person ... but they were super proactive, introduced me to senior cyber operators, getting design partners and…

"proper" probably means backed by a member state, founder is a former gov worker, product is being co-developed by a local university, is based on academic research, founding team has PhDs and has 15 large enterprise customers lined up

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#255

Yes please! I tripped over this recently. It's a bigger deal than it might seem. You'd be surprised at some of the weird things that can happen in the current systems in the EU if you try to do business across borders. Like: your company suddenly automatically becoming deregistered, or you might get a sudden huge tax bill, or you might even inadvertently get charged with fraud. Hasn't happened so far knock on wood ,…

This doesnt fix the issue with taxation right? You would stull have to figure out where to pay taxes if you have customers from different countries.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#256
post #246

Isn't there already the SE (Societas Europaea) [0]? How does this differ? Would be good to address in the FAQ. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societas_Europaea

The SE has a minimum capital requirement of 120k € so is not within reach for most people. I think this EU-Inc would be a simple structure with a lower threshold.

I am absolutely for it. There are too many different types of company structures in the individual EU countries and they don’t work well when you move and come with all sorts of different risks. Obviously many are also just cumbersome to start and dissolve. You could start five US LLCs within ten minutes of filling out some online forms whereas to start one European entity depending on the country you might have to make a notary appointment, register with the national registry and the tax authority. I think there’s a lot of room for improvement which can take days to weeks.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#257
Can you guys please somehow involve Switzerland too? I'm thinkng about moving there and my German employer is like, "No! Even France would be extremely hard, Switzerland is plain impossible for payroll!".

Dude come on, I know they're not in the EU but like, there it feels like practically the same country if you don't mind the loveable accent and the crazy prices in another currency :)

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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post #246

Isn't there already the SE (Societas Europaea) [0]? How does this differ? Would be good to address in the FAQ. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societas_Europaea

Per the Wikipedia article, an SE cannot be incorporated directly. It must be created out of one or more national, public (!) companies already formed under the law of a member state.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#259

It's inordinately difficult and expensive to start an LLC or SA in some EU countries. It's even difficult and expensive to _stop_ an LLC and dissolve it. Huge amount of risk and cost on founders and a huge distraction from running a business. I think that EU-Inc _could_ be an improvement, but it needs to avoid the committee laundry list of ideas/requirements/form fields that plagues the EU startup ecosystem. My worry…

> Huge amount of risk and cost on founders

Better than potentially putting risk and costs on other companies, the country and/or it's citizens.

> nonsense to protect against the perceived risk

It's not a perceived risk. No rule is made without cases.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? Each time the Commission comes with a new rule, most countries agree with it. And if its an "unpopular", the game for each gov is to blame the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

> You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? I'n not entirely sure about that. The vast majority of entrepreneurs are complaining about unrealistic requirements and inconceivable burdens in Germany. Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.

You said

> In Germany

And then

> Yet somehow the rules pile up.

Which is just German culture as much as food is Italian. If you want rules for everything I'm hard pressed to think of a more regulated country than Germany. And the populace, in general, might scoff at how long things take but absolutely want to understand what the process is... So yeah, you can't have it both ways

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